PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
Well, the Storm Ymaryn did split off a while ago, and they are a slaver group, but I don't think they're that obsessed with the crown of Valleyhome.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Well, the Storm Ymaryn did split off a while ago, and they are a slaver group, but I don't think they're that obsessed with the crown of Valleyhome.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
...yes? Patricians are a class of people; the government is drawn entirely from that class of people, but that still doesn't make them the same thing. In France, the court, the governors, the ministers, i.e., the government, was also drawn entirely from nobles; that doesn't mean there weren't nobles' revolts.
What the Patricians would do is start such an uprising. Our power base would literally be the loyalists to the king and the old order. Only the Patricians care enough about DL to threaten Civil War; everybody else would be against a revolution against the King. We could use the mass levies of the Urban Poor or the Spiritbonded of the Priests.
Oh, and
[x]Wiadi
anything but giving in.
LoserThree
Finds writing poorly easy
- Location
- Greater Seattle Area
- Pronouns
- he/him
How about I just do this :
[X] Susano
Yes?
You know what I hate the most about this? It's not the inequality, social stratification and injustice that will inevitably flow from this, it's not even aristocratic oligarchy, we know from history that it is a functional system assuming we can survive the transition... it's that it makes the Ymaryn less unique...
It makes us a large xenophilic power with an obsession for technology.... sounds like every SV civ quest ever.
About the only unusual quality that remains is environmentalism.
It makes us a large xenophilic power with an obsession for technology.... sounds like every SV civ quest ever.
About the only unusual quality that remains is environmentalism.
- Location
- Canada
He just voted Wiadi above you
- Location
- Russia
- Pronouns
- He
Sorrow.
Does it leave these last few seasons?
The stack of sheets before him looms in the waning daylight, filled with the sweetest and the slowest poison of them all.
Unforseen, unforgiving.
"It will make taxation so much easier...",
"Enlighten me, but how this will be different from the Administrators we have now?",
"A tree in the forest does not live unchanged, and as years pass, it becomes not the one it was before.",
"We care for our offspring, how could you leave the land to your children barren and ailing?",
"Solitary ownership will give our brightest a chance to excel, not to be held back by the community. No longer would you be able to shed your responsibiilty to the land, finding false security from your consience in the knowledge that others will make up for your laxity."
This is what he hears if he asks. Why do they not see?
It is as if you would suck all the nourishment from your garden to have the gardener walk and feed every grass and bush from his hand. He shudders, feeling an ache from his shoulders bent by many winters of work in one of the libraries of the Palace of the King of Ymaryn People. YOUR garden? Has this corruption seeped into him unknowingly already? He touches a small Mylathad figurine standing near him on the table.
The gardener may be fair, and every grass and bush will have its due water and food. May be. This is what unsettles him. But why would you do that if the plants can take their food themselves? They, us, were taught to share, to care, to welcome. Surely all together the People can make the most harmonious land?
Surely. The stack of sheets before him looms in the waning daylight, on it written are the words of Dragon King Alyxunmyn himself. His job is to only add the finishing touches to the project, paint the petals of flowers with colors of the Truth. Petals on the stalk of un-Truth, hidden well beyond the bark of heavy words of law.
And he will do it, he realises with a deep sigh, for how can you not have your duty fulfilled to its utmost extent?
Does it leave these last few seasons?
The stack of sheets before him looms in the waning daylight, filled with the sweetest and the slowest poison of them all.
Unforseen, unforgiving.
"It will make taxation so much easier...",
"Enlighten me, but how this will be different from the Administrators we have now?",
"A tree in the forest does not live unchanged, and as years pass, it becomes not the one it was before.",
"We care for our offspring, how could you leave the land to your children barren and ailing?",
"Solitary ownership will give our brightest a chance to excel, not to be held back by the community. No longer would you be able to shed your responsibiilty to the land, finding false security from your consience in the knowledge that others will make up for your laxity."
This is what he hears if he asks. Why do they not see?
It is as if you would suck all the nourishment from your garden to have the gardener walk and feed every grass and bush from his hand. He shudders, feeling an ache from his shoulders bent by many winters of work in one of the libraries of the Palace of the King of Ymaryn People. YOUR garden? Has this corruption seeped into him unknowingly already? He touches a small Mylathad figurine standing near him on the table.
The gardener may be fair, and every grass and bush will have its due water and food. May be. This is what unsettles him. But why would you do that if the plants can take their food themselves? They, us, were taught to share, to care, to welcome. Surely all together the People can make the most harmonious land?
Surely. The stack of sheets before him looms in the waning daylight, on it written are the words of Dragon King Alyxunmyn himself. His job is to only add the finishing touches to the project, paint the petals of flowers with colors of the Truth. Petals on the stalk of un-Truth, hidden well beyond the bark of heavy words of law.
And he will do it, he realises with a deep sigh, for how can you not have your duty fulfilled to its utmost extent?
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- Location
- Austria
I doubt it will help any at this time, so no, sorry.
It's the same reason I am so fervently opposed to going over the forest limit: we stumbled onto the concept which is way beyond time period to fully study and philosophize, so it can irrevocably break in wrong situation. This happened to the notion of "aristocracy is not above the law", it is too late to fix it now.
Thanks.
We had a shot at more strong loyalty; we choose evolution of Arete instead. Given that this was the first shot at evolving Loyalty since we got it back in the "Fey Mood" days, I am not holding my breath.
That said, we more and more need to level up Justice and Symphony lines, because PK + Arete are making us too volatile in the wrong ways.
Well, yes? I am voting what is basically BungieOni, with correction for using Sea Control Agenda (Harbours+Warships+Sailing Missions is pretty much the thing to take against pirates, especially with quests needing Harbour and Warships) and thus not taking Harbour+Warships manually.
I realize that we need basically capitalism and educated urban middle class to have a realistic shot at opposing marriage of aristocracy to government.
...not quite that. Capitalism, even primitive, can be enough; aristocracy started losing power to traders, from a certain point of view, with Renaissance. At least in some countries.
But, like. I'd say "cheap newspapers + majority of urbanites can read them" is a moment when countdown starts for sure, for whatever the consequences will be. Not happening for a long time yet.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
So we don't prevent it by social consciousness, but by royal strength and power. Even central absolutism is better than... this (in fact, before constitutionalism came in Europe, absolutism had already swept away feudalism. So how we just skip feudalism straight to absolutism?)
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
- Location
- Australia
Wow, that's a lot of pages if I wanted to completely catch up.
...I'll just point out that while yes, Alyx and his brilliant son could probably win a civil war, he actually thinks the patricians' plans sound like they will work well.
@Academia Nut Can you clarify whether doing DL once means the floodgates are open for the patricians to take unlimited DL henceforth, or whether there are still restrictions on them? Eg they can only sub-divide what we've given them, so they can only take it as many times as the king has, or something like that?
...I'll just point out that while yes, Alyx and his brilliant son could probably win a civil war, he actually thinks the patricians' plans sound like they will work well.
@Academia Nut Can you clarify whether doing DL once means the floodgates are open for the patricians to take unlimited DL henceforth, or whether there are still restrictions on them? Eg they can only sub-divide what we've given them, so they can only take it as many times as the king has, or something like that?
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Many thanks! I doubt it'll be enough even so, but this is the best shot we have. I'll try to keep it up to date as the vote evolves.
I mean, yeah, but if he trusts Susano's judgment more than mine (which is entirely reasonable) then it makes sense to throw his vote in there in case things change.
Fair enough, thought I'd give it a shot. I'm still of a mind that we should try even if it might not work, but I'm probably the member of the thread who'd be second-most okay with seeing our civ fracture, after AN himself. So I can understand not wanting to take these kinds of risks if you don't think they have a good chance of being useful.
LoserThree
Finds writing poorly easy
- Location
- Greater Seattle Area
- Pronouns
- he/him
"ships in the night" and all that
It's fine, right.
What matters is that the voters Remain Firm in their Opposition.
Be brave in the face of adversity!
Don't give up on justice and righteousness when things get hard. You'll never have it easy enough to do the right thing without difficulties.
Civil War is preferable to Land Distribution!
We just need the People to get religious about it the way they did about the Trees...
Ancient Scholar
Amateur Editor/Beta
- Location
- United States
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- Location
- Canada
I do invite them to my fire. I invite them to throw away all their pretty baubles and humble themselves to begin black soil production. If they do that they will be allowed to live. The Ymaryn way is taking the trappings of the elite and throwing them in the fire.
Epitaph for Nahachaphuria
So ends the noble experiment of Ymar in trying to sidestep the worst of history's abuses.
They walked too fast yet not fast enough...
They won in war and in peace yet for that they defeated themselves
And in the end cruel fate did claim the dreams of sleeping spirits
So ends the noble experiment of Ymar in trying to sidestep the worst of history's abuses.
They walked too fast yet not fast enough...
They won in war and in peace yet for that they defeated themselves
And in the end cruel fate did claim the dreams of sleeping spirits
- Location
- Canada
[X]Susano
[X]Wiadi
[X]Wiadi
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Ancient Scholar
Amateur Editor/Beta
- Location
- United States
Everyone who has given in a voted for DL listen to me! Don't give up hope, we can still fight. It's like being in an abusive relationship or bullying. Just because you know they will hit you if you try to stop them is no reason to surrender and give in. It only makes things worse. I have felt plenty of times that things were hopeless in this quest. That we would crash and burn against the unending tide of calamity that hounds our every step. I say no more! We most fight and we will keep fighting until we win!
You know what they say - all
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Unfortunately, that won't do much for the count.
May I encourage you to vote []Susano or []Wiadi ?
LoserThree
Finds writing poorly easy
- Location
- Greater Seattle Area
- Pronouns
- he/him
FOOLS!
The author had said this demand is MEANT TO BE UNREASONABLE! You can't expect to work out a equitable solution by giving in to bullies! THAT'S HOW THEY GET YOU!
Stand up to your fears! Live your values! Prove the worth of your words!
If you give in every time things get tough, people who can make things tough for you will own you all your life!
The author had said this demand is MEANT TO BE UNREASONABLE! You can't expect to work out a equitable solution by giving in to bullies! THAT'S HOW THEY GET YOU!
Stand up to your fears! Live your values! Prove the worth of your words!
If you give in every time things get tough, people who can make things tough for you will own you all your life!
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