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- Canada
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Taking those passes that controls their ability to cut off Gulvalley? Yes the levies are needed for that. The goal here is to gain defensible borders for the first time in a long while.
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Paths of Civilization
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ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
Um... Last time, the vote was to chase after threats and make sure they don't come back.
Why are the HK any different? We'll never have a better chance to neutralize them.
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- Austria
THANKS
How did I miss it....
Okay, this is definitely enough for me. We can punch them in the core later, when we are not on the brink of starvation.
[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Retraining
[X] [Secondary] Retraining x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Retraining
[X] [Secondary] Retraining x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
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- Austria
No, the goal is to not let Harmurri die and not starve in the process. Pushing them out of Lowlands and stalling from there is enough for it.
If we will still want to cleanse-purge-kill them, we can do it later, with better Econ and all.
Econ 4 and no integration. We can't do it without risking starvation because expenses can come before gains depending on the admin roll.
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- Canada
Kill and purge?? All I want are those passes they control which lets them cut off Gulvalley from us. I couldn't careless about the HK beyond their ability to invade us.
ThrawnCA
Carbon-based biped
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- Australia
We will never get a better chance, and between mills and retraining we have no real risk of starving.
Taking a swing at the HK core is very much a thing we should do. Some manageable pain now (seriously, take a look at the plans, it is manageable), much less pain later.
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- Hell
That is an extremely have your cake and eat way of looking at it
This right here. He needs the full might of the people. So either Offensive or Levies.
Either way, my plan still avoids us starving and gives us Economy 25.
All it takes is a bad admin roll and we do starve.
There are multiple layers of goals.
Our primary goal at this point is to protect the Harmurri and restore their land.
Our secondary goal should be to secure out borders more tightly.
Our tertiary goal should be to push the Highlands into collapse or the like so they don't come back to get revenge later.
The secondary and tertiary war goals above require Levy, yes. The primary goal, however, doesn't.
The problem is less that (all the major plans don't starve) but is more the "lose every last city we've got". This cuts off all of our passive policies, kills the urban poor as a faction almost, and massively reduces our passive income.
And any plan that stays on Mass Levy that I've seen loses us all of our Free Cities (except possibly Redshore, and that's just because we don't know what Redshore's limit is)
However, there might be that possibility that we gonna lose econ from the levy before gaining it, and then it's bad. So, I can't fault more cautious folks.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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- Ranch
You do realise that the description that you give applies to the Freehills as much as SY?
If you so dislike slavery, then you should absolutely hate khemtri and hamurri.
If you so dislike war and expansionsm, you should loathe the Freehills and khemtri.
This hatred of SY makes absolutely no sense, as it's not applied equally to all our other neighbours. And do keep in mind that the SY are games participants, and likely still maintain ties to various segments in Ymar.
They are the most ideal ally and partner, (perhaps future subject).
Neither does the fear mongering of SY make sense. They had shown not a sliver of hostility towards us, even when we where at our weakest and most vulnerable, no threat came from them. Hell the fact that our colonies felt they may as well join them, indicates that a strong enough Ymar cultural overtones are still maintained in SY.
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- Austria
What passes?
To the best of my knowledge they sit "below" those passes on the map, those are roughly along the shore. We would thus need to remove HK entirely to eliminate such possibility - because HK are "between" us and Gulvalley.
> better chance
> literally almost starving, only one FC remains, and people are explicitly
Yeah, no. This is not how a good chance looks like.
Levy is traumatizing enough to only be used against existential threat like nomads or peer power. HK are neither.
Please read what you quote:
He explicitly does not need anything but regular army and mercs to kick HK out of Lowlands. Levies are only needed for the final solution to Highlander question.
Okay, some threat came from them - they would take our western colonies for "protection", if the war went badly, but it's not so bad.
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The secondary goal will be so helpful and acts as a great preventative action for the future and helps the tertiary goal along. It makes their ability to move in and out of our lands that much harder, reducing the power of their intrigue actions. It assures us that they won't be able to cut off Gulvalley during a future crisis where our forces are located elsewhere. Gaining a defensive chokepoint is always a great benefit to have. Also turning off our levy max when our genius martial/excellent admin is King will be far easier to handle than with our average King.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
That wasn't a threat, that was our own colonies not seeing a point in staying under our own rule, and so considering moving to a polity they feel better off under. The SY were never active in the colonial dissent, that was all regular Ymar.
So, nice platitude. Not sure how we can apply it.
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No, I mean that war - AN confirmed it.
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- Hell
Except all plans are like that because all plans use up all our current Econ.
Read what I actually wrote. I said levies or Offensive at the very least. Offensive is how use our regular military at its fullest.
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- Hell
Also, were we not supposed to get the roll?
Without rolls, those predictions are of little more use than a fortune cookie, really.
Other plans don't stay on Levy, so they don't risk losing econ from it.