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veekie · Nov 24, 2017

[X] [Main] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x2
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x3
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x4
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Survey Lands

[X][Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

ThatGazzer · Nov 24, 2017

[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Survey Land
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills

keenscythe · Nov 24, 2017

[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Survey Land
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

Trusting in you @Sivantic that you have a good plan that enables us to stay on mass-levy.
No way do I counsel we stop riding the bullshit chain that is the Avatar of War.
Tag me if you want to change your vote off mass-levy.

Nevermind I just copy pasted your vote since yours didn't have a marriage vote in it.
No way am I voting for giving up best husbando to the separatists.

Andres · Nov 24, 2017

ALL HAIL THE VEEKIEWAGON except Survey Land

[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

RulerOfNothing · Nov 24, 2017

BungieONI said:
Because the Econ they give, will overflow into Expansion in drips of +4. Basically our refund for this specific phase is high enough to convert all the overflow the Mills would give into the Expansion and make it harder to hold onto cities.

Wait, why is the econ we're getting from mills overflowing into Econ Expansion? I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

BungieONI · Nov 24, 2017

OliWhail said:
Huh, this looks appealing, does the math all check out? And why 2x integration - do we need them integrated by midturn more than we need extra Econ?

That means its a main Integration and we get it immediately.

@Glassware

We spend 4 Econ(2 from Annex, 2 from Dam) We don't starve. We spend 16 wealth. We have -4 Expansion income right now, and if the provinces take 5 Expand Econs that's +30 Economy and -27 Expansion(it would be 30, but the overflow of Econ by 3 into wealth gives back 3 Expansion). Since income is before expenses we go down to 3 Expansion for a brief moment. Mills comes into play and we get to 7 Expansion. Expansion refunds from the Annex and Dam come into play and we get to 11 Expansion. Then the Txollan integration goes into play(If I take it as a Main) and we gain 20 Expansion and 13 Econ, of which 4 is gained as Expansion for a net of 24 so we end at 35 Expansion in the mid turn.

Well shucks. Gonna drop Txolla to secondary then. If I do that we end up at 11 Expansion the next phase and keep most of our cities. We then have to take another Expand Econ Main PSN to drop us to around 23 Expansion in the next main turn.

[X] [Main] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Switch Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Highlanders x2
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Gymnasium
[X] [Guild Secondary] Survey Lands

[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

Hey folks I want to do this right now. I think the Storm Ymaryn just got done beating on an unruly vassal and are going out for more and I don't feel like helping them. Forhuch will tie us tightly together and we will have easier times handling everything out east.

Glassware · Nov 24, 2017

veekie said:
[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Survey Land
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

veekie no our cities D:

mastigos · Nov 24, 2017

[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

veekie · Nov 24, 2017

Glassware said:
veekie no our cities D:

Cash crop spam next.

notgreat · Nov 24, 2017

veekie said:
Cash crop spam next.

It puts us at ~50 EE. That'll pop ALL of our cities. Including Redshore.

I don't want to do that. Cash Crops won't be enough.

DragonParadox · Nov 24, 2017

Guys both the SY and Forhuch have a tradition of hereditary rule. I think going with either of them will give us heredity too.

Glassware · Nov 24, 2017

veekie said:
Cash crop spam next.

Academia Nut said:
Warning! All Free Cities but Redshore will disband if EE not below 20 by the end of turn, returning Econ and EE but needing to be reformed at a later date.

Don't think we can spam cash crops fast enough to drop down from 50 EE to 20 veekie.

Andres · Nov 24, 2017

veekie said:
Cash crop spam next.

That sounds like an Original Lowlanders-style button.

Kiba · Nov 24, 2017

[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Survey Land
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

Nicklance · Nov 24, 2017

[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Annex - Great Hall
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla x2
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Survey Land
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

Andres · Nov 24, 2017

@veekie, can I convince you to swap out Survey Land for Enforce Justice? It doesn't cost stats, it improves Stability, and we have plenty of Centralisation tolerance. The extra Centralisation may actually give bonuses to our actions considering the competence of our king.

OliWhail · Nov 24, 2017

Tetsurou said:
[X] [Marriage] From the Storm Ymaryn to gain an alliance

Beware, this likely means getting dragged into their current conflict :/

BungieONI said:
That means its a main Integration and we get it immediately.

I understand that double sec makes main and main integration is faster, I just have no idea why we need to get it done right this instant?

VoidZero · Nov 24, 2017

@Academia Nut

What would the narrative be if we keep mass levy or switch to offensive but without war mission?

Also, what's the like-hood of hereditary kingship from the marriage options?

Citino · Nov 24, 2017

VoidZero said:
@Academia Nut

What would the narrative be if we keep mass levy or switch to offensive but without war mission?

Also, what's the like-hood of hereditary kingship from the marriage options?

Academia Nut said:
If keep policy on Mass Levy or switch to Offensive will attack the Highlanders,

It works by having the provinces do war missions.

notgreat · Nov 24, 2017

Do people really want to break ALL of our cities?

ALL OF THEM. Including Redshore.

Because that's what the Mills+Txolla plan will do. It puts us at ~50 EE, which makes us have NO cities at all. This will break the Urban Poor as a faction entirely. Considering our Levies are supposed to be primarily from the Urban Poor, this will undoubtedly cause MASSIVE problems.

VoidZero · Nov 24, 2017

Organizational
Centralization 6/11
Hierarchy 7/10
Religious Authority 8 {11}/13

Strange cap increase from last turn, cent was cap at 9ish and Hier at 9 also?
Maybe the capability of kings affects the cap?

OliWhail · Nov 24, 2017

Andres110 said:
ALL HAIL THE VEEKIEWAGON except Survey Land

[X] [Main] Great Dam
[X] [Secondary] Palace Annex - Grand Hall
[X] [Secondary] Integrate Colony - Txolla
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order
[X] [Secondary] Restore Order x2
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Guild] Build Mills
[X] [Guild] Build Mills x2
[X] [Guild Secondary] Build Mills
[X] [Marriage] From one of the Forhuch tribes to secure their loyalty

Does... does this work? Do we keep our cities and also keep Mass Levy on to send war missions and also not starve?

Tetsurou · Nov 24, 2017

OliWhail said:
Beware, this likely means getting dragged into their current conflict :/

Figured, but it would also be a good starting point to reintegrate them back into the People proper.

Glassware · Nov 24, 2017

OliWhail said:
Does... does this work? Do we keep our cities and also keep Mass Levy on to send war missions and also not starve?

No. We lose all our cities on that plan.

Bladesguy · Nov 24, 2017

OliWhail said:
...and also might get us dragged into another war.

Ya... that's a fair point. Either way, I would like to see what AN has to say on the matter before writing off our option to secure an alliance with a powerful ally.

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