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kilopi505 said:
What the...don't we have a fuckton of crossbows?

Wasn't the point of the levy reforms some turns ago to have lots and lots of crossbows? What is the point of the crossbows if that's not gonna affect the power of the nomad armies?
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It will take a year or two before the levies can be called up and trained, thus those crossbows are sitting in storehouses where they can't be used. This is what will be happening to the guys first on the scene.

maximillian said:
Wait, aren't Ymar using incense already? Shouldn't they have figured out mastic and agar trees millenia ago? Or are they not growing it in any quantities of note due to lack of temple and thus demand. (foreign demand should be mad however)

Hell, please don't tell me they haven't even discovered olive oil yet. (we had wine, and the olive press far predates the wine!)
No really, how come oil aient a good.?
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You found olives millennia ago. You eat them and their oil at such a prodigious rate that there is nothing left for export.

You have a few incenses, but the Khem are the biggest consumers, satisfied their internal market long before you met them, and the People are a bit leery of incense. They often consider it a way of disguising poor hygiene. They prefer living plants with insect repellent properties.
 
Academia Nut said:
It will take a year or two before the levies can be called up and trained, thus those crossbows are sitting in storehouses where they can't be used. This is what will be happening to the guys first on the scene.



You found olives millennia ago. You eat them and their oil at such a prodigious rate that there is nothing left for export.

You have a few incenses, but the Khem are the biggest consumers, satisfied their internal market long before you met them, and the People are a bit leery of incense. They often consider it a way of disguising poor hygiene. They prefer living plants with insect repellent properties.
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How come no option for building up olive yards ever showed up? One would think it's a rather obvious money maker/public appeaser.
 
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Sivantic said:
FYI @PrimalShadow and anyone else reason#234234 Why having high Martial is still a good idea.
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Pretty sure no one has been contesting that recently.

A lot of the talk the last couple turns has been how to generate Martial, and about how to effectively spread around our military presence.
We just haven't had the resources to increase our martial, and we were prioritizing a bunch of other things.
 
I guess we could look on the bright side. The mountain horse are probably going to be going for conquest and looting rather than burning down everything in their path. Maybe that will slow them down and prevent them from doing quite as much damage as the Pure.
 
@Academia Nut
1) Astrological prediction roll? We did have a study stars.
2) Is PSN disabled while on mass levy?
2a) Specifically, is [PSN] Expand Econ and [PSN] Plant Cash Crops disabled?
In regards to [Trade] Push the guilds to the limit to meet demands (Trade Tech for Wealth, up to 5 per phase, to attempt to top up Wealth)
3) Does this tech trade trigger our tech refund?
4) Does this option stop the Trade Disruption?
 
Academia Nut said:
It will take a year or two before the levies can be called up and trained, thus those crossbows are sitting in storehouses where they can't be used. This is what will be happening to the guys first on the scene.



You found olives millennia ago. You eat them and their oil at such a prodigious rate that there is nothing left for export.

You have a few incenses, but the Khem are the biggest consumers, satisfied their internal market long before you met them, and the People are a bit leery of incense. They often consider it a way of disguising poor hygiene. They prefer living plants with insect repellent properties.
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...Is this another one of those things where games visitors and refugees are just shocked at the casual wealth displayed as even the ymaryn commoners sit down to their meal of veal and olives? XD

Also interesting on the incense front. Does that extend to carrying living plants as personal accessories, or just in a "keep insect repellant and nice smelling plants in your house" way?
 
maximillian said:
Would a main, four secondary expand Econ unlock it as a good as its enough of a surplus to export?
Or do we need a specific combination of actions? I mean, the Greeks and Romans practically drank the stuff, and still exported an unholy amount.
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I'm pretty sure that he is saying that olive (like livestock, fish, grains, vegetables, and fruits) production is part of the expand econ action.
 
Raichu1972 said:
A price well worth it in my opinion, since the Storm Ymaryn would have gobbled them up as soon as they broke away, and even now are waiting for the opportunity to grab them.
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If this war doesn't break us, and we keep the colonies through it, it'll have been worth it. Maybe.

Until we've survived, though, you might not want to be proclaiming correctness about that.
 
Raichu1972 said:
A price well worth it in my opinion, since the Storm Ymaryn would have gobbled them up as soon as they broke away, and even now are waiting for the opportunity to grab them.
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Some day it will be the Storm Ymaryn that will have some big internal criss that will force them to break up and we will be ready to pick of the pieces. They lack or are getting rid of the harmony values they got from us as fast as they can.
 
Academia Nut said:
It will take a year or two before the levies can be called up and trained, thus those crossbows are sitting in storehouses where they can't be used. This is what will be happening to the guys first on the scene.
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Would a armamaent passive policy change this? As in institute periodic training for people to undergo rather then mass training a whole bunch of newbies?
 
Rakuhn said:
I'm pretty sure that he is saying that olive (like livestock, fish, grains, vegetables, and fruits) production is part of the expand econ action.
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But it was a vital trade good Irl as well as a foodstuff/preservative/medicine.
Olive yards generated massive wealth. It's on the same level if not greater than the wine trade, so it makes little sense for wine to be a good whilst oil isn't.
 
Candesce said:
If this war doesn't break us, and we keep the colonies through it, it'll have been worth it. Maybe.

Until we've survived, though, you might not want to be proclaiming correctness about that.
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Gotta be honest, I think I'll keep saying it's worth it.

We don't want for the SY to have a direct route to our Core, which they would get by eating our colonies.

The fact that they would have to fight through the colonies to eat them instead of just asking nicely is already making our actions worth it in my book, since we would actually have time to move our levies over there and have an area for them to stage out of, instead of forcing them to march through hostile territory.

This is also assuming that war with the SY will happen at all, since while it seems likely AN also said that they might pounce on us while we look weak.

So long as we do relatively well, they might not chance it and go after weaker neighbors.
 
ETA50M said:
Would a armamaent passive policy change this? As in institute periodic training for people to undergo rather then mass training a whole bunch of newbies?
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Does not seem like a good idea. Likely would lead to more internal conflict. If we have a bunch of troops lyingly around you want to have something to do with them. The games help, but not enough.
 
[X] [Inno] Looks important, invest heavily (-3 Wealth, -3 Mysticism, -1 Tech, ???)
[X] [AG] They may join (Open games, ???)
[X] [Policy] Switch to Mass Levy
[X] [Trade] Push the guilds to the limit to meet demands (Trade Tech for Wealth, up to 5 per phase, to attempt to top up Wealth)
[X] [Kick] 1 Stability, 2 Temp Econ damage

Academia Nut said:
It will take a year or two before the levies can be called up and trained, thus those crossbows are sitting in storehouses where they can't be used. This is what will be happening to the guys first on the scene.
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Wait a minute.

Are you telling me that our sacred orders and the mercenary companies, and the Yeomen if I remember right...don't have enough crossbows? Or are only equipped with the slightly outdated composite bows?

Our first responders? Our version of the 101st Airborne and the Swiss Guard?

Huh?
 
fictionfan said:
Does not seem like a good idea. Likely would lead to more internal conflict. If we have a bunch of troops lyingly around you want to have something to do with them. The games help, but not enough.
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We could always just do a Retraining every few turns, if our Martial ends up getting too high.

Or spend the Martial on Warships.
Or turn them into a merc company.

We can do a lot of things with extra martial.
 
kilopi505 said:
Wait a minute.

Are you telling me that our sacred orders and the mercenary companies, and the Yeomen if I remember right...don't have enough crossbows? Or are only equipped with the slightly outdated composite bows?

Our first responders? Our version of the 101st Airborne and the Swiss Guard?

Huh?
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That is because the are armed and trained with actual bows. Which are still better than crossbows right now.

What he is saying is that they are not enough. They are high quality, but 10+ Light Cavalry is crazy strong.
 
[X] [Inno] Looks important, invest heavily (-3 Wealth, -3 Mysticism, -1 Tech, ???)
[X] [AG] They may join (Open games, ???)
[X] [Policy] Switch to Mass Levy
[X] [Kick] 2 Stability, 4 Temp Econ damage
[X] [Trade] Push the guilds to the limit to meet demands (Trade Tech for Wealth, up to 5 per phase, to attempt to top up Wealth)

Maybe we want to kick with two stability? 10+ Cavalry and Martial is a lot. And it looks like their king has Heroic Martial.
 
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Candesce said:
The levy change got us the 49 Military wave we're going to try to swamp the Forhuch with.

And none of them are in the vanguard; they take a while to call up.
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Candesce said:
The levy change got us the 49 Military wave we're going to try to swamp the Forhuch with.
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Candesce said:
got us the 49 Military wave we're going to try to swamp the Forhuch with
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Candesce said:
the 49 Military wave we're going to try to swamp
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Candesce said:
49 Military wave
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*background of Forhuch forces rampaging over Ymaryn cavalry who they vastly outnumber*

Forhuch 1: Hohoho! I dost not know why these Ymaryn hold such a high reputation, mine associate! They fall before us like a vastly inferior force of cavalry in comparison to our own forces-
Forhuch 2: -which they are!
Forhuch 1: Indeed, my chum! I do reckon that our king hath been fully legitimized by this semi-necessary spectacle of going and beating up a bunch of valley farmers.
Forhuch 2: His prestige phallus has grown to sky-darkening length and girth!

*they idly trample a wounded Ymar, causing him to crack and crunch and generally emit sounds of pain*

Forhuch 1 & 2: Dohohohoho!
Forhuch 2: I canst not believe no one ever tried this before! This is both easy and fun!

*rumbling rises out of the background noise*

Forhuch 1: What is that, I do wonder, bucko of mine?
Forhuch 2: I concur, fellow horse person guy! I propose we intestivigate this phenomenon henceforth!

*they go ride towards the direction of the rumbling, which rises swiftly in volume and intensity*

Forhuch 2: I think I see something on the horizon, chum!
Forhuch 1: What is it, friendo?
Forhuch 2: ...
Forhuch 1: Well, compadrion? What do your horse-elevated eyes see?
Forhuch 2: We appear to be spit-lubed and roasted, my dude.
Forhuch 1: ...Spit-lubed and roasted?
Forhuch 2: As in we're going to be shortly fucked and then incinerated.

*the rumbling resolves into a seemingly endless wall of Ymaryn that shake the ground with their collective footsteps*

Ymaryn: CAW CAW HORSEFUCKERS

*Forhuch pompadours collectively wilt*


No, I don't know why the nomad people resolved themselves into stuffy pseudo-aristocratic mannered assholes.
 
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