- Location
- Philippines
They are our subordinates we expect them to follow our laws. Seriously can you not see how this would piss off our subordinates what with then now having all their actions cost double wealth.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Sweden
[X] [Dam] Move to the bigger but more useful proposal (1 Wealth and 1 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 2 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
Well, lets take a look at who we aren't ticking off. The yeomen. Now how can that be? They also get a ton of benefits off of quasi-slave labor, and they definitely don't have the coin to pay half-exiles without going destitute themselves. This means one of two things: half-exile labor is only going to be fairly compensated inside our urban centers (reassures the urban poor), or that the new laws are going to be effectively unenforceable outside of our city centers.
If the government is only doing this to reassure the urban poor faction, then they don't have any reason to enforce it inside our subordinates. If the government is unable to enforce the new laws outside of the city centers, it won't try to enforce it inside our subordinates. Either way, our subordinates should not have their wealth costs go up, and thus they should not care about the new reforms.
If the government is only doing this to reassure the urban poor faction, then they don't have any reason to enforce it inside our subordinates. If the government is unable to enforce the new laws outside of the city centers, it won't try to enforce it inside our subordinates. Either way, our subordinates should not have their wealth costs go up, and thus they should not care about the new reforms.
- Location
- Leeds
Astrology don't fail us now.
Then why would the wealth cost of fundamentally rural actions double?
- Location
- Austria
Okay, I was an idiot here.
See the bolded part, loss of prohibition? I totally missed it. That's egg squarely on my face.
And with this in mind, sigh.
[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x2
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x3
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x4
Infra x4 is temporary: we can switch it off later, after we are done with getting all markets up and running. But for now, it has higher priority than slavery.
Possible next turn plan with it in mind:
Main Dam
Sec EJ
Sec EJ x2/PG
Sec Change Policy Offensive
Sec War Mission HK
Sec Support Traders/Expand Econ?
Sec Great Hall Annex
Guild Main More Cash Crops
Guild Main Even More Cash Crops
Guild Secondary Kilns
Okay, lemme explain bolded parts:
1. Enforce Justice is perfect followup for the anti-slavery thing. We must take at least one Secondary of it. Either Main or pairing it with PG (tell everyone that no slavery is allowed), but we need that. inb4 Golden Age.
2. Offensive because fuck those guys. No, really, they are a pest, and one that threatens us at this point.
3. Kilns because Infra x4 means total of Infra x6 +1 native progress from corvee labour, aka 13 progress/turn. Which is enough to insta build, like, 3 Ironworks or IW+2 baths and thus overshoot our sustainable forests limit.
See the bolded part, loss of prohibition? I totally missed it. That's egg squarely on my face.
And with this in mind, sigh.
[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
[X] [Purity] If slavery is so bad in comparison, maybe even the half-exiles need to be addressed (-1 Stability, the next Patrician, Guild, and Trader quests are all spite quests, all Wealth costs are doubled going forward)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn)
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x2
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x3
[X] [PP] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x4
Infra x4 is temporary: we can switch it off later, after we are done with getting all markets up and running. But for now, it has higher priority than slavery.
Possible next turn plan with it in mind:
Main Dam
Sec EJ
Sec EJ x2/PG
Sec Change Policy Offensive
Sec War Mission HK
Sec Support Traders/Expand Econ?
Sec Great Hall Annex
Guild Main More Cash Crops
Guild Main Even More Cash Crops
Guild Secondary Kilns
Okay, lemme explain bolded parts:
1. Enforce Justice is perfect followup for the anti-slavery thing. We must take at least one Secondary of it. Either Main or pairing it with PG (tell everyone that no slavery is allowed), but we need that. inb4 Golden Age.
2. Offensive because fuck those guys. No, really, they are a pest, and one that threatens us at this point.
3. Kilns because Infra x4 means total of Infra x6 +1 native progress from corvee labour, aka 13 progress/turn. Which is enough to insta build, like, 3 Ironworks or IW+2 baths and thus overshoot our sustainable forests limit.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Okay, but how are you, practically speaking, deciding what actions are correct or not?
- If expected consequences aren't considered, then is the King's action here just writing something on a piece of parchment and the consequences of that writing aren't considered?
- Does he get to claim up to the part where someone reads that parchment and is pissed off at having to pay people to do unclean work, but not further than that?
- Does he get to claim all the way up to people being paid for that work and less people being made into half-exiles, but no further than that?
- Does he have to claim all the way to a failure to rebuild the military after a war leading to the collapse of the Ymaryn and therefore the establishment of slavery as the norm in the region?
We are so not gonna go to an offensive war if we do abolish half-exiles. We simply lack the Wealth to back anything but defensive wars for centuries to come.
If we declare war, shouldn't we be able to switch to offensive policy for free? If so, might I suggest making a free city with the extra slot?
This is a big strawman here.
We're not abolishing the system.
Word of AN says that the half exile reform is that they must be paid a wage for their work unless the work is being deducted from their taxes as corvee. Period.
Which has one thing highlighted here: We tax the half exiles.
No wonder they're being driven to crime, they aren't paid for all the half exile work, and we are making them do additional corvee labor on top.
Just fine more or less.
Subordinates don't apply all the core laws immediately. We already know this.
Furthermore, we ensured that they got a share of the Bazaar profits, while our subordinates in general don't major Wealth expenses.
Its actually to our benefit there, because it slows down their ability to lose Dependency.
To explain why, now that we know what the reform will be(AN explained last page):
-Urban Half Exiles are being made to do half-exile duties for free. They on top of that must pay their taxes in Corvee labor OR whatever savings they had.
--After the reform, they deduct their half-exile duties from their Corvee tax. This means the government loses money. A lot of money, because all the additional labor must be drawn from someone else.
-Rural Half Exiles are being made to do half-exile duties for free. They must pay their taxes in Corvee labor, but since they aren't allowed to handle food meant for other people, there just isn't a lot of practical work to do, other than makework, field burning and ditch digging. So nothing really changes.
- Location
- Austria
No?
We have 3 merc companies, 4 Light Cavalry and a bit of native Martial; plus Harmurri, if they will be still alive, are going to help.
We won't overtake their cities perhaps, but we will destroy anything they have in Lowland plains - which, considering the campaign against Lowlands by HK, includes their army.
If we can do so, most definitely. Actually, getting 2 FCs ASAP is probably not a bad idea.
@veekie , how about Infra x4 and then switching it off after all Markets are done?
- Location
- Staring into the void
We need to put down the March before it gets settled out by Toxlla and/or Forhuch. We also need to invite the Forhuch to the games, while they still like us. Neither of these need to be this turn, but I think we should do at lest 1 of them now.
Edit: Neither of these actions cost wealth.
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Which actions? Rural/Yeomen actions:
-Black Soil - Unaffected
-Roads - Increased
-Watchtowers - Unaffected
-Expand Economy - Unaffected
-New Settlement - Unaffected
-Textiles - Unaffected
-Luxuries - Unaffected
-Survey Lands - Unaffected
So only roads are impacted, and roads are both rural and urban.
- Location
- Austria
Instead of Support Traders/Expand Econ.
If we can start a war via companies without manual war mission, can remove that one too.
You have my attention
- Location
- Austria
lol my bad I misread your vote.
How are roads urban? Those are streets and have nothing to do with long distance communication which is what roads do mechanicaly.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
[X] [Dam] Make it as big and impressive as possible (2 Wealth and 2 Tech per action added to remaining costs, requires an additional 3 actions to complete)
We're building this damn dam and if we're building this damn dam we need to make it the damned biggest damn dam that ever damn dammed!
[X] [Purity] Look to the heavens for a sign (Random, could be all good results from above options, could be all bad results from above options, likely a mix)
CROW TAKE THE WHEEL!
Why are you asking me? I'm a crow, I don't have hands.
Fine then, GWY&GOYA TAKE THE WHEEL!
We're building this damn dam and if we're building this damn dam we need to make it the damned biggest damn dam that ever damn dammed!
[X] [Purity] Look to the heavens for a sign (Random, could be all good results from above options, could be all bad results from above options, likely a mix)
CROW TAKE THE WHEEL!
Why are you asking me? I'm a crow, I don't have hands.
Fine then, GWY&GOYA TAKE THE WHEEL!
Txolla is going to be using its actions for the war against the Highlanders. I don't think the Forhuch border the spirit channel, so a bigger concern is the Thunder Horse settling there. I don't think the Thunder Horse are going to leapfrog past Txolla holdings, so either they will put a settlement in the southern spirit channel, or no settlement in the channel at all.
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I edited it in actually
Because it depends on the labor pool. Roads cost Wealth because they require urban manpower and production to build ever since we switched.
You can look at the Wealth costing actions, all of them fundamentally draw upon urban manpower, whereas those drawing upon rural manpower costs Economy instead.
- Location
- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
- Pronouns
- Any
Do you mean the thunder horse? The mountain horse are very dead
Oops... I should probably get some sleep.
- Location
- Staring into the void
Mountain Horse are the Forhuch.