VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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My version of a crackdown is about the same as burning the city and salt the earth. So it's more accurate to call it a purge or massacre.

Well thanks for further undermining my case...My version of a crackdown is about the same as burning the city and salt the earth. So it's more accurate to call it a purge or massacre.Either all the way or none at all, we will be hated anyway so why stop?
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So far, the 'quest runner' has mostly rewarded doing things the hard way. Not cutting corners and being uncaring about the effects. So I truly believe the best results for our civilization is not the kneejerk option, but the measured response.If you want to redeem the People of the sin of purity, this is the opportunity the quest-runner is giving you.
We would be losing the chance to gain or not lose stability, losing RA, and losing Legitimacy. After the quest runner has said that losing RA and losing Legitimacy will be requirements to get rid of Purity. This is the hard way.So far, the 'quest runner' has mostly rewarded doing things the hard way.
Nice False Dichtomy there.Considering the subject-matter, it is quite impossible to not make this argument... but since even the one the internet law is named after says you shouldn't shy away from it:
I guess we should've spared and allowed the Natzies to keep being part of legitimate political parties.
Which is exactly what cracking down on them does.We can have Religious Tolerance even if we suppress a toxic anti-tolerance faith. As I explained before, even if we had Religious Tolerance, suppressing religions which are harmful to society such as pro-slavery or pro-genocide ones will not remove Religious Tolerance. Religious Tolerance is not about accepting all religions. Removing Purity will not promote religious intolerance, all it will do is declare that religions must play nice with each other.
It is called satire, look back our past King Yshuyn. Ask yourself what he said that was wrong.
You're looking at the stats and not the narrative. AN said that before we mediated in an "Attempt to reconcile issues". We'd be just as likely to lose RA and Legitimacy for reversing that decision.We would be losing the chance to gain or not lose stability, losing RA, and losing Legitimacy. After the quest runner has said that losing RA and losing Legitimacy will be requirements to get rid of Purity. This is the hard way.
Cracking down on them is like getting a pro-slavery religion to stop enslaving people. It does not remove the religion, only their illegal activities. They will continue to preach about the virtues of slavery and everything will slowly become worse. We need to stop the puritans from preaching religious intolerance if we are to ever get religious tolerance.Which is exactly what cracking down on them does.
We are not letting them go free. We are not letting them off. They will be punished for their actions.
Stop trying to stawman that crack down on them is somehow the ignore option.
AN said we likely would've gotten it if we protected the monotheists. Do not lie.
Hmhm, so who is bringing RL political issues into this now?I guess we should've spared and allowed the Natzies to keep being part of legitimate political parties.
That is not what the action does. If you believe that, you are wrong.You seriously expect to get a "religious tolerance" trait by purging a religious group "root and branch", meaning killing whole families with children.
That's what we did the the Monotheists, who were FARMING WRONG because of their religion. We told them they could practice what ever they wanted so long as they farmed correctly.Cracking down on them is like getting a pro-slavery religion to stop enslaving people. It does not remove the religion, only their illegal activities. They will continue to preach about the virtues of slavery and everything will slowly become worse. We need to stop the puritans from preaching religious intolerance if we are to ever get religious tolerance.
They are not some random religious group with miscellaneous beliefs. They are specifically a sect of our mainstream religion that preaches religious intolerance. You should not need help to see how smacking down religious intolerance leads to religious tolerance.I somehow doubt purging a religious group, guilty and innocents both, can lead to religious tolerance.
Their religion does not tell people to be intolerant of other religions. The puritans' beliefs do.That's what we did the the Monotheists, who were FARMING WRONG because of their religion. We told them they could practice what ever they wanted so long as they farmed correctly.
Okay, that was not what AN said. He specifically said that only monotheist vote wouldn't change things much, but there was some religious tolerance trait behind specific series of choices. One of them was probably accepting refuges normally, which was super dangerous and basically no one argued for.AN said we likely would've gotten it if we protected the monotheists. Do not lie.
Maybe not killing them, but definitely entire families.That is not what the action does. If you believe that, you are wrong.
And they have decided that The Other are at fault.Fundamentally, you're looking for the bad guys here, which is exactly the same the Puritans are doing as well.
I don't expect either option to completely eradicate the Purists.Real life history never goes "find the bad guys and punch them", and normally this quest doesn't, either. That is frankly a naive or even infantile view on things.
We are not exiling families and children. Stop believing that it does such bad things, because it will not do such bad things. The focus will be on disempowering the ringleaders.
That sounds like a crackdown, not a full purge.We are not exiling families and children. Stop believing that it does such bad things, because it will not do such bad things. The focus will be on disempowering the ringleaders.
Our entire society believes in the Purity Trait, however there is an extremist group of priests that are taking it too far. They are the Puritans.I'm confused on the differences between, [Int] Attempt to tear out these maniacs, root and branch (-2 Intrigue, -1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, -1 RA, ???), and [Int] Crack down on the puritans (-2 Intrigue, -1 to +1 Stability, ???). They seem to be exactly the same thing, with minor stat alterations. @Academia Nut who are the maniacs, all of the puritans, or just the individuals causing trouble?
Except your analogy breaks down, because everyone in Ymaryn practices Purity. Yet no one else is pushing to eradicate others.Cracking down on them is like getting a pro-slavery religion to stop enslaving people. It does not remove the religion, only their illegal activities. They will continue to preach about the virtues of slavery and everything will slowly become worse. We need to stop the puritans from preaching religious intolerance if we are to ever get religious tolerance.
...That is not what the action does. If you believe that, you are wrong.
Pretty sure they were referring to completely destroying the village here."Pray to him them if direct interface with the spirits offends your sensibilities so much. If you get blighted because you offended the local spirits then obviously he's a poor intermediary and we can rip you out root and branch with neither pity nor remorse.
I explained the difference earlier. If you refuse to acknowledge or accept it, I don't see why I should continue arguing with you.
That is not what the action does. If you believe that, you are wrong.
They are not some random religious group with miscellaneous beliefs. They are specifically a sect of our mainstream religion that preaches religious intolerance. You should not need help to see how smacking down religious intolerance leads to religious tolerance.
Their religion does not tell people to be intolerant of other religions. The puritans' beliefs do.
I guess we should've spared and allowed the Natzies to keep being part of legitimate political parties
Where is this mentioned?You seriously expect to get a "religious tolerance" trait by purging a religious group "root and branch", meaning killing whole families with children.
Really?