[X] [MP] Expand Market Further (Redshore Level 3 Market 6/18)
[X] [Int] Crack down on the puritans (-2 Intrigue, -1 to +1 Stability, ???)
[X] [Ext] Keep sending treasure to the Forhuch (Main Targeted Salt Gift)
[X] [React] Improve Soil Quality (Main Black Soil)
[X] [PSN] Main Expand Forests (-2 Cent + Costs)

I'm confused on the differences between, [Int] Attempt to tear out these maniacs, root and branch (-2 Intrigue, -1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, -1 RA, ???), and [Int] Crack down on the puritans (-2 Intrigue, -1 to +1 Stability, ???). They seem to be exactly the same thing, with minor stat alterations. @Academia Nut who are the maniacs, all of the puritans or just the individuals causing trouble?

Edit: After some clarification, I'm going the 'soft' path.
 
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If you want to redeem the People of the sin of purity, this is the opportunity the quest-runner is giving you.
So far, the 'quest runner' has mostly rewarded doing things the hard way. Not cutting corners and being uncaring about the effects. So I truly believe the best results for our civilization is not the kneejerk option, but the measured response.

And if we had used "it's the stone/copper/iron age, don't be so fussy!" argument every time, we would have had slavery by now.
 
[X] [MP] Royal Investment (+1-2 Free Progress to Dam Project)

[X] [Int] Crack down on the puritans (-2 Intrigue, -1 to +1 Stability, ???)

[X] [Ext] Find out more about what the Highlanders are up to (Main Trade Mission)

[X] [React] Need more scouts (Sec More Blackbirds + Sec More Spiritbonded)
 
Considering the subject-matter, it is quite impossible to not make this argument... but since even the one the internet law is named after says you shouldn't shy away from it:

I guess we should've spared and allowed the Natzies to keep being part of legitimate political parties.
Nice False Dichtomy there.

What they did is not right, What the Puritans did here is not right. If both were here we do the same to both and crack down on them.

This choice is not letting them go free or unpunished for their actions.

Tearing out root and branch is a salt the earth option. It goes too far and only increases religious intolerance. It opens the possibility of doing so to other religious groups for maybe being similar to biased eyes.
We can have Religious Tolerance even if we suppress a toxic anti-tolerance faith. As I explained before, even if we had Religious Tolerance, suppressing religions which are harmful to society such as pro-slavery or pro-genocide ones will not remove Religious Tolerance. Religious Tolerance is not about accepting all religions. Removing Purity will not promote religious intolerance, all it will do is declare that religions must play nice with each other.
Which is exactly what cracking down on them does.

We are not letting them go free. We are not letting them off. They will be punished for their actions.

Stop trying to stawman that crack down on them is somehow the ignore option.
Well thanks for further undermining my case...
It is called satire, look back our past King Yshuyn. Ask yourself what he said that was wrong.
 
We would be losing the chance to gain or not lose stability, losing RA, and losing Legitimacy. After the quest runner has said that losing RA and losing Legitimacy will be requirements to get rid of Purity. This is the hard way.
You're looking at the stats and not the narrative. AN said that before we mediated in an "Attempt to reconcile issues". We'd be just as likely to lose RA and Legitimacy for reversing that decision.
 
Which is exactly what cracking down on them does.

We are not letting them go free. We are not letting them off. They will be punished for their actions.

Stop trying to stawman that crack down on them is somehow the ignore option.
Cracking down on them is like getting a pro-slavery religion to stop enslaving people. It does not remove the religion, only their illegal activities. They will continue to preach about the virtues of slavery and everything will slowly become worse. We need to stop the puritans from preaching religious intolerance if we are to ever get religious tolerance.
 
AN said we likely would've gotten it if we protected the monotheists. Do not lie.

You seriously expect to get a "religious tolerance" trait by purging a religious group "root and branch", meaning killing whole families with children.
Really?

I somehow doubt purging a religious group, guilty and innocents both, can lead to religious tolerance.

[X] [Int] Crack down on the puritans (-2 Intrigue, -1 to +1 Stability, ???)
 
I guess we should've spared and allowed the Natzies to keep being part of legitimate political parties.
Hmhm, so who is bringing RL political issues into this now?

Fundamentally, you're looking for the bad guys here, which is exactly the same the Puritans are doing as well. But things are never quite that easy, unless you deal with literal Nazis 1933-1945. Real life history never goes "find the bad guys and punch them", and normally this quest doesn't, either. That is frankly a naive or even infantile view on things.
 
Cracking down on them is like getting a pro-slavery religion to stop enslaving people. It does not remove the religion, only their illegal activities. They will continue to preach about the virtues of slavery and everything will slowly become worse. We need to stop the puritans from preaching religious intolerance if we are to ever get religious tolerance.
That's what we did the the Monotheists, who were FARMING WRONG because of their religion. We told them they could practice what ever they wanted so long as they farmed correctly.
 
I somehow doubt purging a religious group, guilty and innocents both, can lead to religious tolerance.
They are not some random religious group with miscellaneous beliefs. They are specifically a sect of our mainstream religion that preaches religious intolerance. You should not need help to see how smacking down religious intolerance leads to religious tolerance.

That's what we did the the Monotheists, who were FARMING WRONG because of their religion. We told them they could practice what ever they wanted so long as they farmed correctly.
Their religion does not tell people to be intolerant of other religions. The puritans' beliefs do.
 
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AN said we likely would've gotten it if we protected the monotheists. Do not lie.
Okay, that was not what AN said. He specifically said that only monotheist vote wouldn't change things much, but there was some religious tolerance trait behind specific series of choices. One of them was probably accepting refuges normally, which was super dangerous and basically no one argued for.
 
Fundamentally, you're looking for the bad guys here, which is exactly the same the Puritans are doing as well.
And they have decided that The Other are at fault.
Real life history never goes "find the bad guys and punch them", and normally this quest doesn't, either. That is frankly a naive or even infantile view on things.
I don't expect either option to completely eradicate the Purists.

The difference I see is that one will make it frowned upon to preach violence and violent oppression against minorities, another makes it forbidden.
 
I'm confused on the differences between, [Int] Attempt to tear out these maniacs, root and branch (-2 Intrigue, -1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, -1 RA, ???), and [Int] Crack down on the puritans (-2 Intrigue, -1 to +1 Stability, ???). They seem to be exactly the same thing, with minor stat alterations. @Academia Nut who are the maniacs, all of the puritans, or just the individuals causing trouble?
Our entire society believes in the Purity Trait, however there is an extremist group of priests that are taking it too far. They are the Puritans.

Just as not all Christians are Westboro Baptist, Not all Ymaryn are Puritans.

Both options refer to the Puritans. Root and Branch, I feel goes too far and goes into religious Intolerance.
Cracking down on them is like getting a pro-slavery religion to stop enslaving people. It does not remove the religion, only their illegal activities. They will continue to preach about the virtues of slavery and everything will slowly become worse. We need to stop the puritans from preaching religious intolerance if we are to ever get religious tolerance.
Except your analogy breaks down, because everyone in Ymaryn practices Purity. Yet no one else is pushing to eradicate others.

The Puritans are an extremist group. Stop acting as if everyone acts as them. We crack down on them here, people are going to see that we do not accept this sort of behaviour.
That is not what the action does. If you believe that, you are wrong.
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"Pray to him them if direct interface with the spirits offends your sensibilities so much. If you get blighted because you offended the local spirits then obviously he's a poor intermediary and we can rip you out root and branch with neither pity nor remorse.
Pretty sure they were referring to completely destroying the village here.

It is you that wrong here.
 
That is not what the action does. If you believe that, you are wrong.

AN citation please.
You believing my interpretation is wrong, without any proof, does not mean I am actually wrong.

They are not some random religious group with miscellaneous beliefs. They are specifically a sect of our mainstream religion that preaches religious intolerance. You should not need help to see how smacking down religious intolerance leads to religious tolerance.


Their religion does not tell people to be intolerant of other religions. The puritans' beliefs do.

Yeah, no.
Proof please.

They are allowed to believe that external influence is bad, just as monotheists are allowed to believe in their one god, as long as neither group attacks other people.

You turning them into outcasts will turn them into extremists and radicalize them, but there are no indication that most of them are radicals already.

Most of them seem to be the equivalent of a typical Bible Belt inhabitant, not a nazi.
 
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I guess we should've spared and allowed the Natzies to keep being part of legitimate political parties

That's kind of exactly what happened.

8.5 million Germans were members of the Nazi party. Nearly 45 million were involved in affliated organizations.

The vast majority of them were allowed to walk away. Hell they even let members of the SS go. In the end, the conclusion was that it was an expensive witch hunt, and most where granted amnesty by 1951.
 
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