- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
You do realize they probably say the exact same thing about what monotheist beliefs do to Ymaryn society, right?
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Er... we are in the iron age. Political violence and the threat of it is what keeps the unwashed masses under the boot of the patricians.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
AN told us that RA and Legitimacy drops would be needed to counteract Purity's negative effects on PiA. Not that it would damage and remove Purity.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Ehhh - maybe? But it wasn't me who first brought modern ideological considerations into this. That was the post I answered to. Going for persecution of the puritans because of RL modern "bash the fasc" leanings.
I guess the question then becomes how high of a crime do we consider Puritanism be in this case.
I understand where you are coming from here, but right now it hasn't yet been established what is the proportional for this crime - I don't think there has been any decision on what penalties systematic persecution like this demands from the law.
LoserThree
Finds writing poorly easy
- Location
- Greater Seattle Area
- Pronouns
- he/him
I support proven solutions, not milquetoast fairytales.
No one won liberty by asking nicely and behaving themselves.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Okay could you please step back a second here? you're tying this too much to real world politics plus you're comparing a situation that has already escalated to organised violence to one that's at the level of sporadic violence.
- Location
- Staring into the void
But who are the maniacs? The Puritans or the Monotheists?
That is splitting hairs, we have two values in conflict, one of them is supported by Legitimacy and RA, the other not. If damaging those stats helps PiA then logically it hurts purity. Now I would not take actions to degrade RA and legitimacy based solely on this but this is an action against puritans that harms those exact stats.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
...Is this sarcasm?
- Location
- Australia
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
- Location
- Hell
I am still of the mind that cracking down on them is the way to go. We need to be firm with the puritans. They are taking this too far.
Purity of Body and Mind is good, but attacking others is not the way to do so.
Trying to rip it our branch and root will just lose us the Purity trait completely.
We want to upgrade, not drop it.
On top of that, not every hit to RA and Legitamacy would do it either. You have to look at the Narrative as well.
- Location
- Australia
Monotheist terrorists are maniacs.
We do want to drop it. Dropping it is how we get Religious Tolerance.
- Location
- Staring into the void
I think we're a few millennia to early to go to atheism.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
As I've said, it wasn't me who first brought RL modern politics into that. It was the post I quoted.
But I see you do support pithy phrases. Seriously, whose liberty is even "won" here? How is any of this applicable?
Way I see it, you simply need a good guys/bad guys narrative, hence your comparison of the puritans with Nazis. However, history is rarely as straight forward as that.
- Location
- Australia
I am not saying we can or should go atheist. Do not imply that I am.
Are you seriously asking if eradicating racism completely is the right thing to do?
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Look folks, you don't have to go on a purge.
Cracking down option is just that, a crack down on the sects that acted above thier mandate, not a purge like the rip them out option.
Furthermore, purity itself is not a bad trait, could be a greatly beneficial one depending on where it develops, and how intricate the theology is.
And got that to happen puritanical doctrine has to become unfashionable. Puritanism at its core is a reductionist theology that disdains theological development and complexity. Naturally, doing a purge will reinforce certain parts of thier message, if not turn them to martyrs outright.
As such, the best way to deal with it, is to shift the focus of theology in a different direction, by emphasising different aspects of society.
Such as commerce, opulence, foreign involvement, political vibrancy... Etc.
These subtle forces do wonders in shifting doctrinal focus.
Cracking down option is just that, a crack down on the sects that acted above thier mandate, not a purge like the rip them out option.
Furthermore, purity itself is not a bad trait, could be a greatly beneficial one depending on where it develops, and how intricate the theology is.
And got that to happen puritanical doctrine has to become unfashionable. Puritanism at its core is a reductionist theology that disdains theological development and complexity. Naturally, doing a purge will reinforce certain parts of thier message, if not turn them to martyrs outright.
As such, the best way to deal with it, is to shift the focus of theology in a different direction, by emphasising different aspects of society.
Such as commerce, opulence, foreign involvement, political vibrancy... Etc.
These subtle forces do wonders in shifting doctrinal focus.
- Location
- Hell
the Puritans with a capital 'P'
Here is my sauce
The Puritans are the straight up radical Purity First Priests.
Our Monotheists are not causing any trouble right now. The Highlander Kingdom is ruled by a religious fanatic, but this is not about them. They have sent feelers...but our own intrigue found them out as well as the fact that Lord's Loyalty and Uvothyn have shown them that their place is by Ymaryn, not as its enemy.
- Location
- Australia
It is absolutely a bad trait. It is a trait that eats away at PiA and makes the People more violent and intolerant. We should replace it with a Religious Tolerance trait. A Religious Tolerance trait is incompatible with Purity or anything it evolves into.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
...now granted, there have also been attacks on foreign merchants, but this still strikes me as viewing everything through an American or at the very least modern lens. This is about religious fanaticism, not racism. But the thing is, if we also "root out" the belief system behind that fanaticism, well, then we're really engaging in the very same thing.
LoserThree
Finds writing poorly easy
- Location
- Greater Seattle Area
- Pronouns
- he/him
For good or ill, might makes history, if not 'right.'
If you're unwilling to exercise force, if you refuse to acknowledge the occasions when it is necessary, you have chosen to lose.
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
[X] [MP] Royal Investment (+1-2 Free Progress to Dam Project)
[X] [Int] Crack down on the puritans (-2 Intrigue, -1 to +1 Stability, ???)
[X] [Ext] Find out more about what the Highlanders are up to (Main Trade Mission)
[X] [React] Improve Navy (Main More Warships)
[X] [PSN] Main Plant Poppies (-2 Cent + Costs)
Wonder rush as usual, gogogogo
Crack down because they've overstepped their bounds but I don't believe in expelling people for this kind of thing as of yet
Highlanders up to some shit. Also the Banner companies are still not exactly in peak form.
Navy's also pretty wrecked + it helps the quest.
And I'd like to advance Poppies to Leading or Dominating even.
[X] [Int] Crack down on the puritans (-2 Intrigue, -1 to +1 Stability, ???)
[X] [Ext] Find out more about what the Highlanders are up to (Main Trade Mission)
[X] [React] Improve Navy (Main More Warships)
[X] [PSN] Main Plant Poppies (-2 Cent + Costs)
Wonder rush as usual, gogogogo
Crack down because they've overstepped their bounds but I don't believe in expelling people for this kind of thing as of yet
Highlanders up to some shit. Also the Banner companies are still not exactly in peak form.
Navy's also pretty wrecked + it helps the quest.
And I'd like to advance Poppies to Leading or Dominating even.