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Going with plan veekie.


[X][Main] Great Dam
[X][Secondary] Great Dam
[X][Secondary] Great Dam x2
[X][Secondary] Palace Annex - Great Hall
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Passive (Forestry + Forestry -> Infrastructure + Infrastructure)
[X][Guild Main] Plant Poppies
[X][Guild Main] Efficient Charcoal Kilns
[X][Guild Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
 
[X][Main] Great Dam
[X][Secondary] Trade Mission - Forhuch
[X][Secondary] Influence Subordinate - Tinriver Colony
[X][Secondary] Expand Econ
[X][Secondary] Grand Hall Annex
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Passive (Forestry + Forestry -> Infrastructure + Infrastructure)
[X][Guild] Plant Poppies
[X][Guild] Snail Cultivation
[X][Guild Secondary] Snail Cultivation
 
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Has everyone noticed that we now have a much more dangerous successor to Trelli on our door step?

Freehills is almost inevitably going to become a Great Power at this point, which will be a big problem when (not if, when) we go to war. The combination of a massive wealth generator with sufficient land to invest it in which would have been so valuable for the Ymaryn will now go towards hulking them up.

We're going to curse the lost opportunity to take the Straits for a long time.
 
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fictionfan said:
[X][Secondary] Distribute Land
[X][Secondary] Distribute Land x2
The time has come and when we have a heroic king and are restructuring after a disaster is the time to do rather then when a faction forces it.
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Taking it ourselves won't stop the patricians repeatedly doing it anyway. It'll probably encourage them.
 
Alratan said:
Has everyone noticed that we now have a much more dangerous successor to Trelli on our door step.

Freehills is almost inevitably going to become a Great Power at this point, which will be a big problem when (not if, when) we go to war.
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How optimistic.
1. We have no reason to go to war.

2. They expanded into Khemetei colonies. I don't think they will have time for war with us any time soon.
 
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[X][Main] Great Dam
[X][Secondary] Great Dam
[X][Secondary] Great Dam x2
[X][Secondary] Palace Annex - Great Hall
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Passive (Forestry + Forestry -> Infrastructure + Infrastructure)
[X][Guild Main] Plant Poppies
[X][Guild Main] Efficient Charcoal Kilns
[X][Guild Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
 
Alratan said:
Has everyone noticed that we now have a much more dangerous successor to Trelli on our door step?

Freehills is almost inevitably going to become a Great Power at this point, which will be a big problem when (not if, when) we go to war. The combination of a massive wealth generator with sufficient land to invest it in which would have been so valuable for the Ymaryn will now go towards hulking them up.

We're going to curse the lost opportunity to take the Straits for a long time.
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I personally think Storm People are scarier.

I also think that Storm People and Freehills are going to war among themselves first.
 
fictionfan said:
We will be able to point and say that the problem has already been taken care of.
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They are the upper class. Accumulation of further power is practically their purpose in life. They will not just stop trying to increase their power base because we gave them additional power. It will only improve their desire and ability to gain further influence.
 
ctulhuslp said:
How optimistic.
1. We have no reason to go to war.
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War is the default state of the ancient world. Peace is the anomaly. Pre-modern states of the scale they'll be simply don't have the level of government control required to stop themselves going to war with their neighbours. The Ymaryn's very centralised state and harmonious society are very anomalous. Particularly given what we know of their military funding structure.

They're probably also going to be closing the straits to us at some point soon, or otherwise extorting us.

ctulhuslp said:
2. They expanded into Trelli colonies. I don't think they will have time for war with us any time soon.
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Give it a couple of generations.

tenchifew said:
I personally think Storm People are scarier.

I also think that Storm People and Freehills are going to war among themselves first.
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I don't think they have any points of contact. We're in the way.
 
[X][Main] Great Dam
[X][Secondary] Great Dam
[X][Secondary] Great Dam x2
[X][Secondary] Palace Annex - Great Hall
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Passive (Forestry + Forestry -> Infrastructure + Infrastructure)
[X][Secondary] Invite to Games - Mountain Horse
[X][Guild Main] Plant Poppies
[X][Guild Main] Efficient Charcoal Kilns
[X][Guild Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
 
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Alratan said:
War is the default state of the ancient world. Peace is the anomaly. Pre-modern states of the scale they'll be simply don't have the level of government control required to stop themselves going to war with their neighbours. The Ymaryn's very centralised state and harmonious society are very anomalous. Particularly given what we know of their military funding structure.

They're probably also going to be closing the straits to us at some point soon, or otherwise extorting us.



Give it a couple of generations.
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Edited: meant Khemetri. Don't think they'll just nod at their colonies being taken over.
 
ctulhuslp said:
Edited: meant Khemetri. Don't think they'll just nod at their colonies being taken over.
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Depends if they're in a state to do anything about it. They could well have problems closer to home and to have to deal with other colonies that have slipped the leash.

Particularly if there's been a dynasty change, foreign policy may have changed radical. If they've turned inwards, which is a natural reaction to importing a plague, they're unlikely to care that much about the previous dynasty's colonial ventures.
 
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Mortis said:
They are the upper class. Accumulation of further power is practically their purpose in life. They will not just stop trying to increase their power base because we gave them additional power. It will only improve their desire and ability to gain further influence.
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We don't have to distribute the land to them. That is why we would do it now.
 
Alratan said:
Depends if they're in a state to do anything about it. They could well have problems closer to home and to have to deal with other colonies that have slipped the leash.

Particularly if there's been a dynasty change, foreign policy may have changed radical. If they've turned inwards, which is a natural reaction to importing a plague, they're unlikely to care that much about the previous dynasty's colonial ventures.
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Your prediction requires both Freehills being strong and instantly assimilating conquests amd deciding to go for us and Khemetri drastically changing their colonies policy. It's possible, but very convoluted.
 
Alratan said:
Has everyone noticed that we now have a much more dangerous successor to Trelli on our door step?

Freehills is almost inevitably going to become a Great Power at this point, which will be a big problem when (not if, when) we go to war. The combination of a massive wealth generator with sufficient land to invest it in which would have been so valuable for the Ymaryn will now go towards hulking them up.

We're going to curse the lost opportunity to take the Straits for a long time.
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How exactly are they much more dangerous? Seems to me they are about as dangerous as Trelli were.
 
fictionfan said:
We don't have to distribute the land to them. That is why we would do it now.
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...What? Please explain further, because the only way I can vaguely interpret that is saying that if we distribute land now it will somehow prevent the patricians from ever doing so again in the future, which I just explained is the opposite of what will actually happen.
 
Folks, again, two problems I see with current vote/ @veekie 's vote:

  1. No Influence. Do you want to drop them? If yes, then sure, go ahead - but if you want to keep them, we need follow-up:
    Academia Nut said:
    Around the time this whole thing was being dealt with, word got back that the various experts sent over to "aid with plague" recovery had managed to coax the Western Colonies into going along with the core territories, for the time being.
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    "For the time being" means that it is a very tentative first step we've made, we need to follow-up now.
  2. No Trade Mission to nomads. Again, we did a first step in preventing war via trade - first contact. Where is the second step?
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    "Fascinating. The chieftain expects tremendous trade with us, doesn't he?" Uvothyn asked.

    "I expect so," the man stated.

    "Trade across the roads to the east is going to be a gigantic pain, isn't?" The king asked.

    "Yup."

    "We should figure out some method of river trade to keep the maniacs over there trading instead of raiding, shouldn't we?"

    "Sounds reasonable."
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    Dam is a right direction, but it will be 40 years at least (2 turns, all-in and lucky rolls) to finish it. We need trade flowing constantly. Later on, with Canal, we will be able to passively trade with them; now, it might work out passively. Might.
 
Freehills currently have no shipbuilding technology. They have the dock, but no expertise to build it. They also expanded fairly rapidly, which means their stranglehold on territory is likely weak.

Meanwhile, the Storm People are stronger than ever, being able to conquer more territory and actually administrate it, with the flashpoint being Greenshore river. They are currently the greatest military threat next to the Forhuch people, and our interest actually clashes.
 
fictionfan said:
[X][Secondary] Distribute Land
[X][Secondary] Distribute Land x2
The time has come and when we have a heroic king and are restructuring after a disaster is the time to do rather then when a faction forces it.
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You are wrong. We do not have a heroic king. If we did, we wouldn't get to choose what action to take now as he would do them himself. Your justification is also full of crap. We are restructuring nothing. We've recovered and repaired the damage the plague has done already. You also falsely insinuate that doing Distribute Land will prevent the patricians doing it themselves, when if anything it will encourage them to do it by establishing a precedent and showing off the power it gives. The key to minimising the amount of Distribute Land done is, extremely obviously, to not do Distribute Land.
 
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