There are 45 Leaf genin here,
I've asked about this subject two times but I'll try once more. Who are the other 10 Leaf teams and why are we seemingly not interested in helping them or they in helping us? I mean I don't think we need 30 detailed descriptions if that costs too many spoons but at least a 'persons of interest's thing is definitely warranted. I mean if there are any adult genin for instance they could definitely be both useful to us and mature enough to handle taking advice from a 'kid' (who has been adopted by the Hokage no less). And they can't be too incompetent even if they have failed several exams (as opposed to not having attended many exams for legitimate reasons) because else they wouldn't have been sent here in the first place.

Honestly, we should be more interested in the older teams than we are in the Rookies 15, not less. The only redeeming quality the young ones have is being apparently choke full of clan heirs and interesting bloodlines like the Nara, Yamanaka and Hyuga ones.

[X] Lore Update

At least until more of our questions get answered. Even if for realism's sake it is only the ones we have based on things that should have been knowable to us before the Mizukage's announcement.
 
Formalizing the above as an action plan:

[X] Action Plan: Hey! Listen!

We're going to focus on gathering what information is easily available, without revealing much of our capabilities. It's too early to try to establish relationships by trade/bribery; at most make short contact with other leaf teams and demonstrate goodwill.
The plan ends when we're regrouped after being given the secrets, or if something unexpected/surprising happens before/during the secret exchange.
For the purpose of the plan, 'team' means Keiko, Noburi and Akane. If Sakura and that third person listen in / contribute to intra-team discussions, they're welcome to, as long as they don't become OPSEC liabilities.
  1. Immediate reactions (these should happen even if we're called out within <5 minutes)
    • Cast Living Roots and follow some genin that's already been chosen by a proctor.
      Keep track of as many departed genin as we can without losing general situational awareness.
      Track the genin until they separate from the proctor and either stop moving somewhere or clearly move to a public area.
      Keep jutsu active for at most 15 minutes (spending 30 out of 100 CP)
      • If something really suspicious is going on (like genin disappearing and proctors coming back alone), attempt to gather as much detail as possible; if we can't figure out why, share what we can with rest of team. Possibly extend the duration until we have a good idea of what's happening; don't spend more than 60 CP in any case.
      • If genins seem to be moved to a specific, restrained location, agree on a regrouping strategy with the team. I.e. if in building and entering at separate entrances, meet at northern-most entrance; if in wilderness, agree to make recognisable footstep patterns every 5 minutes so that Living Roots can locate position.
    • If (unlikely) separated from team in the genin-herd, regroup with team. Hopefully without having to move so that LR keeps working. (i.e. wave them over)
    • Confirm intention to regroup with the team after we're released by the proctors
    • Mention to team that proctors might try to trick us and immediately learn the secret; be on guard
    • Find out if team has any immediate ideas
  2. Short-term reactions (these should happen if we're called out within <20 minutes)
    • Get one of our allied folks to get selected by a proctor by strategic positioning
    • Follow them with Living Roots; after they find out what a proctor does they can use morse-code-equivalent to communicate in one direction (void if we have long-range telepathy via pangolin jutsu). Convey any warnings in that fashion; share warnings with rest of team (and if Akane was chosen, her team as well).
      • Thus prewarned, attempt to get everyone selected. The earlier we get proctored up, the more time we have to act once we know what's going on.
    • See if any of leaf genin teams want to cooperate and share insights; if so:
      • remind them of proctors possibly being tricky when revealing secret. (unless Keiko/Noburi react negatively in 1, because the insight is too obvious?)
      • share belief that the different secrets put together are going to be useful, so they can start thinking about secure comms
      • suggest teams track movement of other genins using any tools they have
      • if the other team is contributing, share any observations made via Living Roots
      • receive any insights from the teams; especially regarding behaviour of other village genin observed by the chakra sensors
      • do *not* bring up any seals etc when discussing safe comms; assume all chatter is listened to
      • propose to meet up at quarters when convenient
  3. Long-term: (if we have 1h +)
    • Observe how other genin teams are socializing; any clear cliques other than within village? Any teams mingling with other villages? Any teams aloof and standing on their own even within village?
  4. Once we're selected:
    • Be ready for proctor trickiness when dealing out the secret
    • If we've received info from previously selected team member, react accordingly.
    • After we're released by the proctor:
      • If we're the first person selected from our team, and we noticed trickiness by proctors, attempt to warn team, possibly by trying to intercept them and their proctor. If team still in the herd, this is easier because we can mime from outside LoS to Hinata for subtle comms once we get their attention.
      • If comms were already exchanged and nothing out of ordinary happened, regroup at team quarters and plan further action
    • If we're not released by the proctor (i.e. genin are moved to a special location), attempt to regroup with the team.
 
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I meant that as reference to this:

    • If genins seem to be moved to a specific, restrained location, agree on a regrouping strategy with the team. I.e. if in building and entering at separate entrances, meet at northern-most entrance; if in wilderness, agree to make recognisable footstep patterns every 5 minutes so that Living Roots can locate position.

I think if we're prevented from meeting with the team (rather than just not being in the same place initially), it calls for a replan; we can't predict that.

Do you have a wording suggestion?
 
It's just that while everything else seems like more or less specific steps and actions in a list the last one made an open ended impression. My mind immediately went to Hazou trying to run from ANBU who told him to stay put or breaking locks to get away or whatever.

On a different note:
@Everyone due to work and lack of spoons I couldn't really read any comments between chapters 152.2 and 155. Are there any highlights I should be aware of if I plan on being useful in this current situation? An example of what I missed would be what options we had for our 5 Pangolin jutsu.
 
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Regarding the codewords: it's also possible that Mist is planning to use anchoring bias to find them out. That is, there will be stages at which it would seem that the codeword is a hint, and the proctors would be able to deduce what it is based on our actions, even if we won't explicitly reveal it. Simplified example: the codeword is "learning", and it will be deduced if we go to the Academy's building immediately upon getting it.
 
@Everyone due to work and lack of spoons I couldn't really read any comments between chapters 152.2 and 155. Are there any highlights I should be aware of if I plan on being useful in this current situation? An example of what I missed would be what options we had for our 5 Pangolin jutsu.
Not really. We do not yet know what the pangolin jutsu available to us are.
 
So, I'm just going to guess that Hyuga know how to read lips. Seems like a stupidly obvious skill to give to them.
Does this help us with learning the code words? How do we protect against it?
 
Not really. We do not yet know what the pangolin jutsu available to us are.
Also nothing unrelated to Pangolin jutsu? Like, I don't know, bright ideas with lots of support regarding how we are going to help Daddy Hokage? Or QM clarifications/hints on important subjects?

I guess I'll just have to find the time to skim through all of it...
 
Also nothing unrelated to Pangolin jutsu? Like, I don't know, bright ideas with lots of support regarding how we are going to help Daddy Hokage? Or QM clarifications/hints on important subjects?

I guess I'll just have to find the time to skim through all of it...
We don't even know Jiraiya's plan with regards to the chuunin exams.
 
They ain't going to tell you the codeword with the genin here, no?
That's sort of the point. They don't have to be here to see it. Instructor pulls Enemy Participant A aside. Says, "Your codeword is Frog." Hinata, three buildings away watching through the walls, writes down "A - Frog." And if there's any other Hyuga, they can do the same to us.
 
That's sort of the point. They don't have to be here to see it. Instructor pulls Enemy Participant A aside. Says, "Your codeword is Frog." Hinata, three buildings away watching through the walls, writes down "A - Frog." And if there's any other Hyuga, they can do the same to us.
Which is why the instructors are taking individual participants to remote locations
 
I question the wisdom of using unleveled Living Root so much. I doubt we will be able to detect what they are doing to be useful enough.
 
@MadScientist and (I think it was) @Cariyaga : As best I understand it, spaghetti posting is only when you slice something into individual sentences or even individual words, especially when it's for purposes of "dirty" argumentation. Also, when the spaghetti-posting rules were laid out there was a lot of hue and cry and the directors responded by saying "We're not going back on it but we'll let the mods have considerable leeway in enforcing it." If you're responding to paragraphs, especially when it's fiction and not argument, then you should be fine.

Which is not to say that you can't do the color-coding if you want, just that you probably don't need to.

I have questions on two subjects here.

One's the older Leaf genin.
How many non-rookie Leaf teams are with us and why aren't we at all interacting with them? If anything we rookies should be all very interested in their experience. And even if none of them really want to hang out with "the children" at least some should have noticed the value in conversing with the ex-Mist team, no? Not to mention how choke full this year's rookies are with clan heirs, people every ninja should hope to make a good impression on even if they are 13.
There are a total of 45 Leaf genin here. You've interacted with them on the way here to the extent of general campfire socializing. This is the first try at the Exams for all of them. Ninja typically graduate at 12 and these guys range in age from 16-18. They are a mix of clanless and minor-clan. The minor clans are minor because they generally don't have enormously powerful bloodlines or lots of wealth. Assume that these kids are not carrying tons of seals and don't even ask about chakra metal weapons or telescopes.

And why did Hazou only give Dome seals to the rookies as well? Did the plan in any way single out our contemporaries (who, by the way, are also all at least one year older than us)?
We've done our best to fulfill our understanding of the plan. If you feel that you've been treated unfairly or that we've made unreasonable decision, feel free to say so.

The second is the Mist clans.
Since Goketsu knows, would one of you be willing to tell the hivemind's the Mist clans, QMs?
About Houzuki all I can find is the canon version of their bloodline.
For Terumi there isn't even an official clan entry in the Narutopedia. Only a page on Mizukage Mei. She appears to have a bloodline allowing her to speak acid in various stages of liquidity (at least mud-like and mist-like).
About the Yuki clan we know literally nothing. In canon it had only two members, one of them dead.
Regarding our own former clans, what did we just tell everyone about them? What did we keep for ourselves?
And then there are all the other Mist clans of note, whoever they may be.
There's one clan that is able to make crab-like chakra constructs which I hereby dub the Fukimoto unless they've already been given a name (@faflec?), there's the Mori, there's the Wakahisa, there's the Kurosawa, there's the Hōzuki who definitively do not turn into water but we haven't decided what they actually do. Then there's a handful of minor clans.

What if there's already some other clan with a close alliance to the Mori. Especially with how their bloodline's weakness works they would benefit a lot from something similar to the Nara-Yamanaka-Akimichi arrangement with at least one other Mist clan. And we've had no indication that the Korusawa are that clan.

On the other hand, Keiko would definitely know about any non-secret alliances her former clan has.

Let Jiraiya know the specific quirks of Kurosawa diplomats (on that note, is voice modulation/tone/etc. subject to Iron Nerve?). He probably already knows these, but if not, he needs to be aware that unless she's surprised heavily, any emotion she shows is not to be taken as what she's actually feeling.
He knows that stuff and no, it is not.

I think we were going to get more information soon.
That was the plan. @OliWhail and I have been missing each other in chat, @Velorien's computer has been dead for over a week, and my job is imploding which sharply limits both my spoons and my time.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Could we have some information on our current location:
  • How visible are we relative to other people, both other competitors and to other proctors/ANBU/etc.?
  • Is the ground viable for HLaM? How about a burrowing Pangolin?
  • If we summoned a stealth or scouting Pangolin how visible would they be?
  • Have we seen any other competitors do anything...odd? Like casting jutsu, looking or moving around, talking to other teams (not their own), etc.?
  • Where are the other Leaf Rookies relative to us? Have any of them been called up? Can we get to them?
You're in a public square, all packed together, with proctors surrounding you and keeping you from leaving.
Yes. Yes but it would be insanely obvious if Keiko summoned one.
Very.
No.
Nearby. Yes, a few that you don't know well. Yes, aside from the ones who have been called up (obviously).

Are they calling out names, or just grabbing gennin?
Grabbing them. It seems pretty random, although they're taking people from the edges of the crowd and working in. They're being taken individually, not as teams.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail Any chance we can figure out what jutsus/pangolins we got? I'm not asking for mechanics on their abilities but more of general "Pangolin A is a Stealth Pangolin" or "Pangolin jutsu X gives you telepathy with XYZ people".
You have a stealth pangolin and it's pretty much certain you'll have the telepathy jutsu, we're just wrangling about exact mechanics. It'll be more or less what (@faflec? @Radvic? I forget, sorry) posted but not quite as strong. You'll also probably have some of the elemental jutsu that faflec designed. If people post simple, well-balanced mechanics between now and whenever OliWhail and I manage to coordinate this weekend then there's a reasonable chance you'll get them. If you've already posted some, please quote them / link them so that we don't have to dig back through pages.


I've asked about this subject two times but I'll try once more. Who are the other 10 Leaf teams and why are we seemingly not interested in helping them or they in helping us? I mean I don't think we need 30 detailed descriptions if that costs too many spoons but at least a 'persons of interest's thing is definitely warranted. I mean if there are any adult genin for instance they could definitely be both useful to us and mature enough to handle taking advice from a 'kid' (who has been adopted by the Hokage no less). And they can't be too incompetent even if they have failed several exams (as opposed to not having attended many exams for legitimate reasons) because else they wouldn't have been sent here in the first place.
See above.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail will we get technique info before deadline?
Apparently not. I'm going to bed and OliWhail doesn't seem to be around.
 
Luckily we will get to spend all of our exp retroactively

Unfortunately, we have a high possibility of combat soon, so we'll have to spend them regardless....and we don't really have an action plan and that the QM is likely going to veto a Lore Update.

So, I'm just going to guess that Hyuga know how to read lips. Seems like a stupidly obvious skill to give to them.
Does this help us with learning the code words? How do we protect against it?

Codeword the codeword.

@eaglejarl

Are you going to accept a Lore Update coming Sunday update? Or are we going to literally scramble?
 
There's one clan that is able to make crab-like chakra constructs which I hereby dub the Fukimoto unless they've already been given a name (@faflec?), there's the Mori, there's the Wakahisa, there's the Kurosawa, there's the Hōzuki who definitively do not turn into water but we haven't decided what they actually do. Then there's a handful of minor clans.
"Ooh, ooh, me next!" an older girl with the claw of the Kani clan crest on her lapel butted in.
@eaglejarl and @Velorien have earned an additional 2 XP each for allowing me to use the "Nobby-niichan/knobby-knee chan" pun I have been saving forever and letting me name the crab-summoning clan 'Crab'.
Sorry mate, the clan's the Kani (Crab) clan. Blame @OliWhail.

You have a stealth pangolin and it's pretty much certain you'll have the telepathy jutsu, we're just wrangling about exact mechanics. It'll be more or less what (@faflec? @Radvic? I forget, sorry) posted but not quite as strong. You'll also probably have some of the elemental jutsu that faflec designed. If people post simple, well-balanced mechanics between now and whenever OliWhail and I manage to coordinate this weekend then there's a reasonable chance you'll get them. If you've already posted some, please quote them / link them so that we don't have to dig back through pages.
@Radvic did it.
Well, looks like no bonus XP for explosive movement. So, here's one interpretation of a Pangolin Communication technique which I think we'd like. I also think it's reasonably balanced. @OliWhail @eaglejarl @Velorien tagging for visibility and consideration.

Pantokrator's Communion:
Requirements: Control * 2 Intelligence * 2
Description: Allows the caster to create a telepathic link with their target(s) via which each party can communicate to each other by intentionally sounding out words in their head with the link in mind. Range is equal to level * 10 meters, and number of targets they can link to is equal to level / 5 rounded up. Keeping a link open requires a Quick Action from the caster. Creating a new link or adding people to a link costs a Combat Action for the caster. The caster must know where the target(s) is(are) to create a link.
Cost: 1 CP per round (3 seconds) per person linked to

Example Usage:
Let's assume Alice has 10 levels in this skill. She can now open a conference call between herself and two teammates - Bob and Carl. Let's say Bob's scouting ahead and they expect trouble. Alice can open a link to Bob using a Combat Action as she opens the link and 1 CP to maintain the link for each round (which I believe are generally around 3-ish seconds). This continues for a minute of scouting, costing 20 CP. Then, Bob tells Alice that Bob spotted trouble. So, she uses a Combat Action to put Carl into the Link. This doubles the CP cost over time, but words Carl, Bob, and Alice think towards that link are heard by all of them. It costs Alice 2 CP and a Quick Action per round to maintain this. If ever any of them get more than 100 meters away from Alice, they are disconnected from the link and lose the ability to communicate.

Alternatively: Alice, Bob, and Carl are traveling and are ambushed. If Alice already had a link set up (and was losing CP fast because of it), then they can instantly use the link to communicate. However, if not, then Alice will need to spend a Combat Action creating a link between them if they want its benefits - and need to do it before her allies all vanish or hide.

Why I think this is balanced:
I think this results in a fairly balanced ability, and prevents it from breaking the setting while still granting cool usage. The linear range requirement and "needing to know where the target is" should prevent most world-breaking exploits - it doesn't grant long range communication, doesn't let you mind-read, and has reasonably strict limitations on who you can use it on (e.g. can't use it "the intruder in the building" unless you also know where they are and are within range, can't use it as an SOS unless you know where the recipient of your message is). It also has reasonably strict ability requirements, making it not something that everybody would want to level (but they don't seem too strict: e.g. Keiko could level it to 10 immediately). Additionally, costing a Quick Action can be a significant loss in combat, making its use have consequences and preventing shenanigans. Additionally, 1 CP per round per person, while not a lot in combat, means that you can't just keep the link open at all times, especially while traveling or keeping watch. Also, since it costs a Combat Action to start, it isn't necessarily the best option to choose when engaging in surprise combat. Additionally, requiring the users to explicitly think the words at each other removes any mind-reading shenanigans or instant detailed communication tricks.
That said, it has excellent synergy with any sort of esoteric sensing or hiding ability - Keiko could use it to grant everybody Noburi's information on mist drain without letting enemies know they know, or let Hazou know what's happening while he's hiding like a Mole, both of which open up some new combat options. It's also great for OpSec as it would allow us to pass information without enemies knowing where we got it from (e.g. Mist Drain), and allows for fun battlefield confusion - shout commands at each other which we ignore for the mind-commands.

You're in a public square, all packed together, with proctors surrounding you and keeping you from leaving.
Yes. Yes but it would be insanely obvious if Keiko summoned one.
Very.
No.
Nearby. Yes, a few that you don't know well. Yes, aside from the ones who have been called up (obviously).
Grabbing them. It seems pretty random, although they're taking people from the edges of the crowd and working in. They're being taken individually, not as teams.
Interesting. Where are we in the Leaf delegation, near the center or one of the sides?
 
You have a stealth pangolin and it's pretty much certain you'll have the telepathy jutsu, we're just wrangling about exact mechanics. It'll be more or less what (@faflec? @Radvic? I forget, sorry) posted but not quite as strong. You'll also probably have some of the elemental jutsu that faflec designed. If people post simple, well-balanced mechanics between now and whenever OliWhail and I manage to coordinate this weekend then there's a reasonable chance you'll get them. If you've already posted some, please quote them / link them so that we don't have to dig back through pages.
Wait a minute.

@eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail I thought that the jutsu we were getting would be non-elemental jutsu?? Like those @MadScientist or @Radvic wrote??
 
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