Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
SC: Keep fighting!! Slavery is wrong!!
WC: People are dying. I don't want to lose more of my subordinates.. *glances at priest* but we're definitely winning.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
WC: People are dying. I don't want to lose more of my subordinates.. *glances at priest* but we're definitely winning.
[X] [King] Embrace Numbness
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
I was against starting this war but now that we are in this situation, we really need to finish off the trelli, and gain access to the strait to prevent them from strangling out trade. I future lets avoid any more ideologically driven wars, they're silly and wasteful.
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
I was against starting this war but now that we are in this situation, we really need to finish off the trelli, and gain access to the strait to prevent them from strangling out trade. I future lets avoid any more ideologically driven wars, they're silly and wasteful.
- Location
- Austria
[X] [War] Offer reparations for damages and universal manumission of Trelli slaves (-15 Wealth, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, -7-8 Econ Expansion, 7 temp Econ damage, +7-8 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
[X] [War] Withdraw (-5 Wealth, -5 Prestige, -1 Religious Authority, 4 Econ temp damage, chance of stability loss, +4-5 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
Yeah, no, zog this shit. Universal manumission for the price of our ~3 turn income is hilariously worth it.
[X] [War] Withdraw (-5 Wealth, -5 Prestige, -1 Religious Authority, 4 Econ temp damage, chance of stability loss, +4-5 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
Yeah, no, zog this shit. Universal manumission for the price of our ~3 turn income is hilariously worth it.
- Location
- Sydney
[X] [King] Embrace Numbness
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
- Location
- Australia
This is the worst idea. We'd lose 1-2 Stability from the choice and 1 Stability from hitting Wealth 0 due to our economic system. We may also lose more Stability because we'd fail the trader quest. We would certainly lose our golden age. War and Withdraw are the only real options.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
The emotions are form of mental defense mechanism, and i view numbness/detachment as a slightly better choice in terms of least impactful to a king's efficiency. Maybe outright madness is kinder to Yshyun as the counsel and priest will transfer responsibility to someone else.
- Location
- Sweden
I prefer the Absurd. Happiness works wonders.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
I want the straits
I don't want to lose GA
I don't want to strengthen our enemy w/ a net gain of 8
I want the opportunity to pretend it was a pure land grab
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
I'm hopeful it should be more than obvious that a king who is useless and isn't doing anything is vastly preferable to a king that is actively bigly detrimental for whatever reason you care to name.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Maybe on an individual level, but not something you want in your king. If our kings are tokens then !random! is fine, but not when said person holds great power.
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X] [King] Embrace the Absurd
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
Stay the Course, remember that we are bigger than the trelli and can afford to have multiturn wars
[X] [War] Keep fighting (2 Econ temp damage, +2 Econ next turn)
Stay the Course, remember that we are bigger than the trelli and can afford to have multiturn wars
- Location
- Sweden
Madness is !random!, Absurd is more like finding humor in strange places.
The Trelli will have new slaves within a turn, probably enslaving whats left of the Saffron Isles and we are back to square one.
If you want to free the slaves and make it stick, finish the Trelli off for good.
- Location
- Austria
1. Trader quest does not list "- Stability" in downsides, so this one is a load of crap.
2. -1 Stability from Wealth 0 is a guarantee instead of merely a chance now? Did AN say it somewhere? Could you please cite the 'guaranteed -1 Stability at Wealth 0' thing?
The only thing I see is this:
"Certainly lose GA" is thus far from a guarantee. There is a chance due to low Wealth and Manumission independent rolls, but we may as well go to 0 Stability instead.
Losing GA is not a guarantee.
Trelli do not have to be our enemies; us admitting our fuckup and paying instead of warring for our goals is actually going to be somewhat positive for our image - we are still going to be weirdos, but less of dangerous ones and more of those that have enough brains to admit their fuckups and be adults and talk it out. So diplomacy-wise universal manumission thingie kinda works out okay.
For the other Games-participants it is likely going to be better than continuing war, or at least comparable to.
Straits part is fair, at least.
@Academia Nut , does 'universal manumission' cover new slaves?
Universal manumission in this context means we buy and free all their slaves. They use the Wealth to aquire new slaves. They don't abolish slavery.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Golden Age ends if Stability hits 0.
- Location
- Australia
I said "may". I'm not entirely sure. Rule of Gold makes failure worse. Already our traders are turning to piracy.
Yes it is. We're on Stability 1. If we lose any amount of Stability, we'll go to Stability 0 which will end the golden age.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Others asked; ignore this post.
- Location
- Austria
Manumission - Wikipedia
Please cite your sources; as far as I can see, 'universal manumission' means what I think it means, and update explicitly mentions Trelli freeing their own slaves, although not in context of us paying for them.
I mean, Temp Econ damage may mean that you are right, but I would prefer to wait for AN's word on it.
Huh. I thought it ends when we go negative.
Yeah, okay, fair enough, Stability 0 ends GA.
There is still another problem you are missing: you assume that we somehow will not take any more stability hits in an offensive war which so far gave us one of those each turn (or was it each half-turn?) of it. Which is not going to get better because our forces are getting farther from their home base into hostile lands with no possibility of sea resupply because Trelli control coastal waters there.
This is too optimistic and goes wildly against what was happening so far.
Bonus points for damaging our king - who gets physically ill from mentionings of violence - even further than he is already.
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
the KH left us because they were worried further close contact would motivate us to intervene on the behalf of non-royals; manumission affirms this risk.
[X] [King] Embrace Anger
[X] [War] Withdraw (-5 Wealth, -5 Prestige, -1 Religious Authority, 4 Econ temp damage, chance of stability loss, +4-5 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
[X] [War] Withdraw (-5 Wealth, -5 Prestige, -1 Religious Authority, 4 Econ temp damage, chance of stability loss, +4-5 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
People, this whole war was a mistake.
One we acknowledged in thread.
Let's not double down on it.
[X] [War] Offer reparations for damages and universal manumission of Trelli slaves (-15 Wealth, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, -7-8 Econ Expansion, 7 temp Econ damage, +7-8 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
[X] [War] Withdraw (-5 Wealth, -5 Prestige, -1 Religious Authority, 4 Econ temp damage, chance of stability loss, +4-5 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
One we acknowledged in thread.
Let's not double down on it.
[X] [War] Offer reparations for damages and universal manumission of Trelli slaves (-15 Wealth, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, -7-8 Econ Expansion, 7 temp Econ damage, +7-8 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
[X] [War] Withdraw (-5 Wealth, -5 Prestige, -1 Religious Authority, 4 Econ temp damage, chance of stability loss, +4-5 Econ next turn, current trader quest fails, ???)
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