Dunno. It is a closer option for gaining audiences and relief from injustice, so long as it's not the current family in charge profiting from them.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Okay. Can we all please agree that the new City Policies should go towards Vassal Support?
We really, really need that right now.
We really, really need that right now.
It's what I'll be supporting, if I'm present for the vote.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I will be voting for that as our next passive policy.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
Is it possible to have multiple innovations in a turn, one each from different stats/lists, orwould it just give us more choices for the one innovation if multiple stats procced (assuming they procced but didn't combine into a stronger multistat innovation like iron did)
@Academia Nut just to be sure, nobody seems able of replicating or learning how Yenyna was capable of pushing her body beyond its physical limits? Would studying health help contribute to learning how she did it? Has the Dragon Temple attempted to study her combat skills?
I'm just asking because we have a holy order of healers and a holy order of rangers so I would love for us to get accesses to a holy order of warriors as well.
Especially because said warriors would dressed up in dinosaur armor, which is just the coolest thing ever.
I'm just asking because we have a holy order of healers and a holy order of rangers so I would love for us to get accesses to a holy order of warriors as well.
Especially because said warriors would dressed up in dinosaur armor, which is just the coolest thing ever.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
@Academia Nut
How many Vassal Support passive policies would it take to equal the impact of one Secondary Influence Subordinate per turn?
How many Vassal Support passive policies would it take to equal the impact of one Secondary Influence Subordinate per turn?
[X] [GA] Gain random genius (-15 Culture)
-[X] [GA] Specify: Diplo genius (Additional -3 Culture)
[X] [FC] Redshore
[X] [FC] Redhills
[X] [Diplo] Tie everything together internally (Main Build Roads)
[X] [React] Continue work on the Place to the Stars (5/7-8 actions completed)
-[X] [React] Kick project (ISoO already triggered this turn)
-[X] [GA] Specify: Diplo genius (Additional -3 Culture)
[X] [FC] Redshore
[X] [FC] Redhills
[X] [Diplo] Tie everything together internally (Main Build Roads)
[X] [React] Continue work on the Place to the Stars (5/7-8 actions completed)
-[X] [React] Kick project (ISoO already triggered this turn)
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Multiple innovations in a turn are possible, depending on the rolls. Mysticism sucked so it was just Culture this time.
Given that no one has the mental abilities that make her physical actions in any way useful, no. The idea of pushing yourself like that tends to be actively discouraged by those that train exclusively because it exhausts you for way less benefit, but Yenyna had the uncanny ability to place her strikes, and was rarely in extended combat. Her ability to ignore pain and exhaustion when in 'combat mode' was also legendary, and she had a tendency to just drop once the moment was over. Her fight with Reshem was by far the most extended fight she ever had in her life.
Uhhhh... lots. It's spread out over subordinates, so given the number you have, you would need the equivalent of something like 20. Of course, that's the equivalent of one Secondary Influence Subordinate for every subordinate a turn.
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
So the Vassal Support policies are half strength untargeted Secondary Influence Subordinates, then?
That looks about right to me.
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
( ﾟﾛﾟ)
We might be better off just threatening to nuke any rebels, despite the terribad precedent...
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- He/Him
There is a degree of targeting, in that the policy will put the most effort into the most divergent/disloyal subordinates first, but it is diffuse in comparison to an actual action.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
That's a bit better than 2 policy actions per secondary action. Which, as a secondary effect of a policy, isn't bad.
Edit: For context, the primary effect of the +Econ policy is 3 policy actions per secondary.
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As I understand it, what we have is fairly normal for the era. Proper alliances and international agreements between equals are a later development.
Historically, what was happening in the field of diplomatic development at an equivalent timeframe was more the occasional non specific nonagression and friendship treaty, and a long series of bad decisons that eventually led to the tradion of diplomatic personel being sacrosanct, by way of bad things repeatedly happening when they weren't.
Especially since it doesn't cost us the resources the secondary does.
Let's not forget the "paying for the action" bit, hey? Especially with the most expensive action we've got.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Right. I'll figure out what that is at some point. But it's REALLY not bad. Much better than the stat drips.
[X] [GA] Gain random genius (-15 Culture)
-[X] [GA] Specify: Diplo genius (Additional -3 Culture)
[X] [FC] Redshore
[X] [FC] Redhills
[X] [Diplo] Tie everything together internally (Main Build Roads)
[X] [React] Continue work on the Place to the Stars (5/7-8 actions completed)
-[X] [React] Kick project (ISoO already triggered this turn)
-[X] [GA] Specify: Diplo genius (Additional -3 Culture)
[X] [FC] Redshore
[X] [FC] Redhills
[X] [Diplo] Tie everything together internally (Main Build Roads)
[X] [React] Continue work on the Place to the Stars (5/7-8 actions completed)
-[X] [React] Kick project (ISoO already triggered this turn)
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
Yeah, Like walls, influence Subordinate sounds like something we want going on the back-burner always.
Though I think going past 4 might be hitting diminishing returns as that would be the equivalent of a untargeted main influence every turn.
Honestly the Stat Drips are so inefficient that I suspect they have hidden narrative bonuses.
Though I think going past 4 might be hitting diminishing returns as that would be the equivalent of a untargeted main influence every turn.
Honestly the Stat Drips are so inefficient that I suspect they have hidden narrative bonuses.
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For a loose guess:
Secondary Influence costs a secondary and 12 assorted stat points, or ~7 secondaries of stuff.
Support Subordinate gives us a bit less than half of that, + an extra subordinate slot.
2 secondaries per turn + a vassal slot is... I'm pretty sure the unquestionable most we get from a passive policy, but not directly profitable to us, which makes sense.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
@Academia Nut if we have multiple vassal support policies, lets say 3, do we need to be 3 over our subordinate limit to get all of them giving the free influence and loyalty boosts, or just 1? (...Actually, to confirm, is the influence boost connected to the loyalty boost like i think, or does it always apply?)
So it only matters what stats are maxed at the very start of the turn, then, if only those two got rolls... @Academia Nut when exactly does the current pending refugee econ apply? Is it before start-of-next-turn, and thus the innovation rolls? Because if so i might switch to just one free city, since it would get us an extra max stat roll... (18 +4 - 2 free city - 1 trails = 18+, whereas a second free city wouldn't keep it that way). And to confirm, the mysticism refunds should apply before that, because they've applied before start of turn before i think? So next turn we should have rolls for Diplo, Mysticism, Tech, and maybe Econ.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
I only want one right now. Our loyalties are REALLY good between the 3-way war and the meteor prediction. Even one isn't urgent, but it would probably forstall a lot of issues. And I'd guess it would make our loyalty figures less likely to be wrong since we're interacting with them regularly.
Say that to the Catastrophe that is the Five Year Plan.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Since the action rework, stats average around 2.5 per secondary. So 12 stats would be closer to 5ish secondaries than 7.
Just for rough figures. On my phone now.
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Yeeep. Possibly a big benefit of the vassal support is giving an avenue for us to notice problems instead of them hiding in the background unaddressed, like how we revealed hidden issues by building roads.