- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
Which is why we should go full east, were taking over lands were people are running from and convincing them that they don't need to.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Australia
Full east gets us into another war. Fuck that.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
not another simply a clean-up of the one the majority just voted for last update.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The front page has us at exactly 0 econ expansion without colonies or immigrants. If we add in colonies' extra 8, we would have 0-2 econ expansion with the current range of the second option's 6-8 econ expansion. We do indeed have enough room.
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Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
[X] [Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[X] [Refugee] Use the military to evacutate as many as possible (8 temporary Econ damage, -9-11 Econ Expansion, -2 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ next turn, incompatible with most ambitious conquest option)
[X] [PttS] Black Mirror
[X] [Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
The time has come to give of ourselves.
[X] [Refugee] Use the military to evacutate as many as possible (8 temporary Econ damage, -9-11 Econ Expansion, -2 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ next turn, incompatible with most ambitious conquest option)
[X] [PttS] Black Mirror
[X] [Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
The time has come to give of ourselves.
We do need the Trade Post. It generates 3 Econ Expansion, which we're burning very very fast.
We should have the meteor if we took the Northern Lowlands option. The meteor fell on a city there.Guys if we go full conquest we might be able to get the comet.
Which if their is magic it may have some.
all if we go full ham on conquest we wont be able to expand elsewhere any time soon toooo
Nope!
Trade Post and Secondary Black Soil won't do it alone. We'd need either both of them or a Main Black Soil.
Because it's not better. Manmade means of demarcating the sky are left with the question of "what portions of the sky do we cut off?"
This invariably goes "we follow the track of the sun from equinox to equinox" and "we follow the track of the moon from phase to phase" in pretty much every culture. This is because the sun and moon are more powerful symbols in religious rituals, people get the 'wow' effect from seeing the sun rise exactly in the spot where your astrologers have built a window, at exactly the right time.
The natural feature lets us study the deep sky, which is less flashy and prominent, but would lead to an earlier access to paying attention to the motion of the stars and planets
Pick showmanship vs science I guess.
- Location
- United States
So, out of curiosity, why is everyone voting for the Northern Trade Post?
This is the perfect opportunity to get chummy with our neighbors, to maybe start being able to influence those around us instead of just hoping for the best.
The Trade options also sends out 3 trade missions at once, which is more action efficient than establishing a trade post.
We can do the trade post at any time, and people will likely advocate to do so pretty soon, but we will never send trade missions unless we do them now.
We should take advantage of our relative position of power to extend our influence and religion to our neighbors.
This is the perfect opportunity to get chummy with our neighbors, to maybe start being able to influence those around us instead of just hoping for the best.
The Trade options also sends out 3 trade missions at once, which is more action efficient than establishing a trade post.
We can do the trade post at any time, and people will likely advocate to do so pretty soon, but we will never send trade missions unless we do them now.
We should take advantage of our relative position of power to extend our influence and religion to our neighbors.
- Location
- Australia
@veekie, how come PyrrosWarrior's calculations don't line up with yours?
- Location
- Cara Fahd
What. The. Fuck...
[X] [Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[X] [Refugee] Send out runners that you have food and intact farmland (6 temporary Econ damage, -6-8 Econ Expansion, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ next turn)
[X] [PttS] Horse Valley
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability
[X] [Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
[X] [PSN] Bit more black soil (Sec Black Soil, -1 Centralization)
[X] [Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[X] [Refugee] Send out runners that you have food and intact farmland (6 temporary Econ damage, -6-8 Econ Expansion, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ next turn)
[X] [PttS] Horse Valley
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability
[X] [Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
[X] [PSN] Bit more black soil (Sec Black Soil, -1 Centralization)
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- Location
- Australia
@Academia Nut, all things considered, are we now Dominant in Pilgrimage?
@Academia Nut I think this gif expresses my feeling on the update.
Like, holy shit, I wasn't expecting Doom Comet to make an appearance. I'll vote once I've caught up and seen what people are going for.
Like, holy shit, I wasn't expecting Doom Comet to make an appearance. I'll vote once I've caught up and seen what people are going for.
It's kind of funny, didn't we start the baby boom and pop explosion at +5 each a turn, we're now over halfway to the BB alone matching the combined efforts they had originally.
On the other hand the TP will be a source of actions as well.
On the other hand the TP will be a source of actions as well.
- Location
- Madness realms
That benefit is not worth the cost, this value puts us MUCH closer to collapse then ever before. I can see the benefit of higher chance of golden age because the stab drops we take every turn would mean we can hold onto 3 stab longer but when we go to negative the clock is on and it is 10 minutes to midnight.
Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
Imagine for a second if this thing had hit Valleyhome...
Also, did we just discover how to calculate orbital trajectories last turn? Specifically orbital re-entry?
Because if so I want to start a space program!
Did the incoming Golden Age's +1 to the passive expansions get factored in?
[X] [Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[X] [Refugee] Use the military to evacutate as many as possible (8 temporary Econ damage, -9-11 Econ Expansion, -2 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ next turn, incompatible with most ambitious conquest option)
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability
[X] [Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
[X] [PSN] Keep it under control (Do not activate this turn)
[X] [Refugee] Use the military to evacutate as many as possible (8 temporary Econ damage, -9-11 Econ Expansion, -2 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ next turn, incompatible with most ambitious conquest option)
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability
[X] [Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
[X] [PSN] Keep it under control (Do not activate this turn)
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- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@Academia Nut How often do we conduct the census, and what is our current population as of the last taken one?
Econ Projection assuming the current winning composite of
[PSN] Bit more black soil (Sec Black Soil, -1 Centralization)
[Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[Refugee] Send out runners that you have food and intact farmland (6 temporary Econ damage, -6-8 Econ Expansion, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ next turn)
[PttS] 0 Stability
[Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
Base stats:
Econ: 18 (+1) [-3+14]
EE: 11 [+3-14]
Black Soil: +2-3 EE. Conservatively, lets say 2 EE.
Conquest: -4 Econ, 3 EE refunded due to true cities. -4 additional temp Econ damage.
Refugee: Gain 6-8 Econ next turn, at the cost of 6-8 EE damage now, plus 6 temp damage now. Pessimism in this case is losing EE and gaining Econ, so assume 8.
Diplo: no effect on Econ.
So the result becomes:
Econ: 14 (+9) [-3+14] {4}
EE: 8 [-3+14]
Then, if we spend no Econ next turn, we would go to 14+9+11 = 34 Econ and 8-11 = -3 EE. Of course, overflow means that it would actually be 18 Econ + 16 (overflow to other stats), and EE would be 0 (since we get 3 EE refunded by true cities). HOWEVER, the truth is that we would trigger the overflow-to-colonies bit from Population Explosion, so our acutal result would be more like 18 Econ + 8 (overflow) with 8 EE.
[PSN] Bit more black soil (Sec Black Soil, -1 Centralization)
[Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[Refugee] Send out runners that you have food and intact farmland (6 temporary Econ damage, -6-8 Econ Expansion, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ next turn)
[PttS] 0 Stability
[Diplo] Send out reassurances (Sec Trade Mission to Khemetri, Trelli, and Harmurri)
Base stats:
Econ: 18 (+1) [-3+14]
EE: 11 [+3-14]
Black Soil: +2-3 EE. Conservatively, lets say 2 EE.
Conquest: -4 Econ, 3 EE refunded due to true cities. -4 additional temp Econ damage.
Refugee: Gain 6-8 Econ next turn, at the cost of 6-8 EE damage now, plus 6 temp damage now. Pessimism in this case is losing EE and gaining Econ, so assume 8.
Diplo: no effect on Econ.
So the result becomes:
Econ: 14 (+9) [-3+14] {4}
EE: 8 [-3+14]
Then, if we spend no Econ next turn, we would go to 14+9+11 = 34 Econ and 8-11 = -3 EE. Of course, overflow means that it would actually be 18 Econ + 16 (overflow to other stats), and EE would be 0 (since we get 3 EE refunded by true cities). HOWEVER, the truth is that we would trigger the overflow-to-colonies bit from Population Explosion, so our acutal result would be more like 18 Econ + 8 (overflow) with 8 EE.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] [Conq] Take the northern lowlands (Thunder Speakers become vassal, Txolla annex additional territory, gain Ruined Thunder Horse as vassal, remainder fragment, -4 Econ and 4 temporary Econ damage from supporting wrecked vassal)
[X] [Refugee] Send out runners that you have food and intact farmland (6 temporary Econ damage, -6-8 Econ Expansion, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ next turn)
[X] [PttS] Black Mirror
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability
[X] [Diplo] Let's maybe spread out in case the gods throw another bolt (Found Far Northern Trade Post)
[X] [PSN] Bit more black soil (Sec Black Soil, -1 Centralization)
[X] [Refugee] Send out runners that you have food and intact farmland (6 temporary Econ damage, -6-8 Econ Expansion, -1 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ next turn)
[X] [PttS] Black Mirror
[X] [PttS] 0 Stability
[X] [Diplo] Let's maybe spread out in case the gods throw another bolt (Found Far Northern Trade Post)
[X] [PSN] Bit more black soil (Sec Black Soil, -1 Centralization)
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
we'd only be saving 3 Econ worth of people and would be rendered unable to hit a golden age which would provide marked cultural benefits.
depth astronomy
if we make a stonehenge style thing we're basically fine
- Location
- Australia
Ah.
[X] [Refugee] Use the military to evacutate as many as possible (8 temporary Econ damage, -9-11 Econ Expansion, -2 Stability, chance of further loss, +9-11 Econ next turn, incompatible with most ambitious conquest option)
[X] [PSN] Keep it under control (Do not activate this turn)
Helping as many people as possible - it being noted that we helped as many people as possible - would also provide cultural benefits.