Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Okay, so we can totally do the opposite of what these guys want to imply, while still following the letter of their advice?
Like, let go of the Treachery CB with the TH, send the Red Banner to defend the Metal Workers against the Storm Wolves, then send the Dragons Banner and Yenyna east to garrison Txolla.
Epic Troll face ensues.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
[X] No (???)
It's set up so if we go in, the prediction has a very decent chance of coming true. (Curse our awesome might!) Which would vindicate it.
So I vote no, because when things don't go bad (Praise our awesome might!) we get rid of this nonsense.
Sure, we'll probably miss out on a Genius Mystic, which is too bad, and may hurt the rewards for being able to somewhat predict the weather, but I don't want us running off whenever some weirdo decides the stars told him to murder random neighbors.
It's set up so if we go in, the prediction has a very decent chance of coming true. (Curse our awesome might!) Which would vindicate it.
So I vote no, because when things don't go bad (Praise our awesome might!) we get rid of this nonsense.
Sure, we'll probably miss out on a Genius Mystic, which is too bad, and may hurt the rewards for being able to somewhat predict the weather, but I don't want us running off whenever some weirdo decides the stars told him to murder random neighbors.
eternal-potato
He who vegetates
- Location
- Moscow
Read carefully, they looked at history at least as much.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
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The peace faction is voting to go to war, with a massive empire that if we don't attack will most likely collapse considering what happened the last few times someone try to rule over the thunder speakers and Swamp people, while the war faction wants to beat the shit out of a small kingdom that is right next to our core lands.
The peace faction is voting to go to war, with a massive empire that if we don't attack will most likely collapse considering what happened the last few times someone try to rule over the thunder speakers and Swamp people, while the war faction wants to beat the shit out of a small kingdom that is right next to our core lands.
I don't give a damn about the immediate consequences but about the precedent. Not all our "seers" will be heroic anything. Just conmen and fools.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Who cares, we don't even have to attack the HK and can just Turtle up, I don't want to war the TH cause of dubious claims by the stars and maybe history
- Location
- Russia
- Pronouns
- He
Gwygotha maybe?
We helped the stranger farmers, we did not attack the lowlanders, and there was Gwy, adragon in her own right.
[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
Love of Wisdom to the rescue!
If we say yes one of two things will happen:
1) we get an actual century of everything being wonderful.
2) we don't, which conclusively debunks astrology forever.
On the other hand, if we say No I really do not believe that all century will pass without at least something bad happening and this will give legitimacy to astrology.
If we want to purge the hokum from Astrology leaving us with the science of the Astronomy we have to challenge it. Much like with the pox warding we have to take a risk and put our values to the test to improve them.
As for the idea that we might accidentally "confirm" astrology is true, when was the last time we had 100 years where everything was perfect?
Of course, it's also possible that our genius mystic has accidentally discovered something real, either actual magic or some combination of meteorology and socio-economics, and the actions we're being told to take are important because of what our civilization will do to carry them out rather than for their own sake. Like telling someone that they must chase down a rabbit on foot to gain the favor of the god of health to protect against the family curse of heart attacks, when the important part is that running enough to catch the rabbit will improve your cardiovascular health.
Tl; DR
If we want to prove Astrology wrong we have to put it to the test. It's the Ymaryn way.
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Also, we get some awesome KotH bonuses, and if we loose to much prestige we'll lose them, so the war isn't bad on it's own.
Love of Wisdom to the rescue!
If we say yes one of two things will happen:
1) we get an actual century of everything being wonderful.
2) we don't, which conclusively debunks astrology forever.
On the other hand, if we say No I really do not believe that all century will pass without at least something bad happening and this will give legitimacy to astrology.
If we want to purge the hokum from Astrology leaving us with the science of the Astronomy we have to challenge it. Much like with the pox warding we have to take a risk and put our values to the test to improve them.
As for the idea that we might accidentally "confirm" astrology is true, when was the last time we had 100 years where everything was perfect?
Of course, it's also possible that our genius mystic has accidentally discovered something real, either actual magic or some combination of meteorology and socio-economics, and the actions we're being told to take are important because of what our civilization will do to carry them out rather than for their own sake. Like telling someone that they must chase down a rabbit on foot to gain the favor of the god of health to protect against the family curse of heart attacks, when the important part is that running enough to catch the rabbit will improve your cardiovascular health.
Tl; DR
If we want to prove Astrology wrong we have to put it to the test. It's the Ymaryn way.
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Also, we get some awesome KotH bonuses, and if we loose to much prestige we'll lose them, so the war isn't bad on it's own.
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- Location
- United States
You can't predict the future from looking at history. With some weather patterns maybe, but that is difficult and unreliable for long-term predictions even with 21st century technology. When it comes to human actions? Impossible.
TheDanishLord
Viking Warlord
- Location
- Denmark
Maybe i think about it but part of me wants to for s'n'g
If we do Kick x2 or more, does that count as a single stability hit or multiple? Similar question for other related -X Stability choices for X >= 2.
Has it predicted anything other than weather effects? Mine collapses or riots or other such things?
No also puts it to the test and does not have confirmation bias on the side of superstitious idiocy.
NewAgeOfPower
Engineering Pornagrapher Extraordinaire
- Location
- An Certain Hive of Scum & Villainy, known as NYC
Exactly.
The Scientific Method's core is literally assuming your own hypothesis is trash, then do everything you can think of to try to disprove your own hypothesis, and then letting other Science-inclined individuals to take a swing at your theory.
Only then can it be accepted.
If we pick [] Blindly Obey Astrology, it will be a long term, possibly crippling negative for civilization and progress.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Or they get lucky this time around and Astrology becomes the profession used to control the nation despite it being bullshit
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
Go east, fuck up the TH. The Highlanders are, at this point, squeezed on all sides by us, and their land, while similar to our own homeland, isn't really much of the lowland floodplains. The TH, on the other hand, literally hold the rest of the floodplains.
I can definitely see how 'the gods' (calling you out @Academia Nut) would say that dropping the HK for now to just blow up the TH is a good idea, and I agree with all of it, save perhaps forcing Yenyna herself to come out of retirement (though, considering the rest, I'll still go for it).
Go east, fuck up the TH. The Highlanders are, at this point, squeezed on all sides by us, and their land, while similar to our own homeland, isn't really much of the lowland floodplains. The TH, on the other hand, literally hold the rest of the floodplains.
I can definitely see how 'the gods' (calling you out @Academia Nut) would say that dropping the HK for now to just blow up the TH is a good idea, and I agree with all of it, save perhaps forcing Yenyna herself to come out of retirement (though, considering the rest, I'll still go for it).
Tally
I honestly wouldn't saying yes due to our various values and legacies. There's various benefits from; us doing it and not getting the expected result plus Lore of Wisdom should mean we get something, it should mitigate if not turn into a pro the debiliating value we just got due to going directly against it, and the Thunder Horse does have some territory that would be nice to conquer - specifically the former Thunder Speaker territory. There's a nice river boarder to build defense against, we should be able to exploit our longboats, and we can access to another natural wonder on that site.
Or it could just be a quick war where we force a white peace on the both of them, or white peace plus participation in our Games. This should be particularly helpful given the Thunder Horse border or are in the influence range of not-India, and some of them coming to see what's what would be pretty amazing. Even better when you consider our various technology traits given we woudln't have interacted with them before.
Or it could just be a quick war where we force a white peace on the both of them, or white peace plus participation in our Games. This should be particularly helpful given the Thunder Horse border or are in the influence range of not-India, and some of them coming to see what's what would be pretty amazing. Even better when you consider our various technology traits given we woudln't have interacted with them before.
Thanatanos
PvP Lover, Assasin Player
[X] Yes (Forfeits the CB against the Highlanders, declares war against the Thunder Horse, brings Yenyna out of retirement, ???)
Also, why are all Geniuses we seem to produce autistic, schizophrenic or otherwise insane? It is weird. This should not be the case, there were plenty of historic figures i'd peg at genius level that weren't completely bonkers.
If this trend holds i think it says something about the setting.
If this trend holds i think it says something about the setting.
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Hmm... random thought @Academia Nut does upgrading a temple from level 1 to level 2 give +1 RA, or +2?
- Location
- United States
Provinces – [Sec] Sailing Mission, [Sec] Study Stars, [Sec] New Settlement, [Sec] New Trails
Thought this was interesting, I guess provinces might sorta prioritize completing quests if we put them on balanced?
Since we didn't tell them what to do specifically, they worked in the interests of the factions, in this instance the Yeomen.
Thought this was interesting, I guess provinces might sorta prioritize completing quests if we put them on balanced?
Since we didn't tell them what to do specifically, they worked in the interests of the factions, in this instance the Yeomen.
AN seems to be going for an idiot savant kind of thing with geniuses, in which they are all "spirit touched", and are bad at most things, but are super good at one particular things above everyone else.
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