- Location
- Canada
No people voted for him on the basis of purging corruption and thinking the CB will last past his turn (high chance it will).
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
They both seem utterly necessary to me; one tie-breaker is that our Admin guy has poor martial, so he's ill-suited to dealing with the pirate threat and might just... not.
The Pirates can only be in one place at a time, and the seas are vast. Just how much of our shipping are you expecting that the pirates intercept for them to be likely to stumble on these three ships in particular?
Also, what makes you think the Pirates can take them? The delegations are going to be loaded down with a multitude of strong warriors by definition, and I doubt they are going to be sent on weak boats, either; I don't know if I'd bet on the pirates' odds. For that matter, I don't think they'd be particularly likely to pick a fight at such odds, either.
...true. If we leave it to him he Will crush corruption but let the pirates go out of sight, out of mind.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
It would be our mercenaries dealing with the pirate threat. We got confirmation during the Xoh or Khem wars that mercs have their own martial rolls uninfluenced by the leader's martial due to being autonomous.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Trelli (Probably trade related)
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[X] [React] Meet yeoman demands (Sec New Settlement + Sec New Roads, meets Yeoman faction demands)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Trelli (Probably trade related)
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[X] [React] Meet yeoman demands (Sec New Settlement + Sec New Roads, meets Yeoman faction demands)
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The react action is Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission. If we don't do this as a react action, a King with poor martial might just disregard it and not bother, despite it not requiring his martial skill.
Ymaryn archery tradition, on Catamarans, with Bolt Throwers.
Like, the reason we made those was that basically nobody at sea had any counters to them?
It's as big a leap as chariot archers were on plains warfare.
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
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Well, we know they're hitting enough to reduce our raw wealth income by 1/6, or more relevantly our shipping income by ~25%.
And the boats carrying Games contestants are likely to be easier targets, given our higher-quality ships, and possibly exceptionally desirable targets, diplomats carrying gifts and all.
Gonna have to head out soon, so I'm just gonna type up a post for my concerns on the two votes in close contention:
[] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[] [PiA] Trelli (Probably trade related)
As others have pointed out, the Trelli are practically paralyzed by their Trade traits. We've been pretty big dicks to them for centuries, and they've just had to grit and bear it because they need our goods. While I'm not against Trade and Diplomacy, I don't like the idea of being beholden to it.
[] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[] [React] Attempt to root out problems (Main Enforce Justice)
As I understand it, the Khemetri delegation is already present, so they're not at risk. We've already warned the Trelli, and they're no slouches in the water, which leaves the Metal Workers in the highest risk position.
That's still a risk of a diplomatic incident, no doubt, but so is widespread corruption. Personally, I'd like to be working on the problem while we have so many high value people in our capitol.
[] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[] [PiA] Trelli (Probably trade related)
As others have pointed out, the Trelli are practically paralyzed by their Trade traits. We've been pretty big dicks to them for centuries, and they've just had to grit and bear it because they need our goods. While I'm not against Trade and Diplomacy, I don't like the idea of being beholden to it.
[] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[] [React] Attempt to root out problems (Main Enforce Justice)
As I understand it, the Khemetri delegation is already present, so they're not at risk. We've already warned the Trelli, and they're no slouches in the water, which leaves the Metal Workers in the highest risk position.
That's still a risk of a diplomatic incident, no doubt, but so is widespread corruption. Personally, I'd like to be working on the problem while we have so many high value people in our capitol.
- Location
- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I know. I thought you were saying that we shouldn't take that action because of the king. I too am in favour of mercs now.
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- She/Her/They/Them
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
- Location
- United States
@Academia Nut if we don't choose to hunt down the pirates this mid turn, will Western Wall or Greenshore make any attempts to hunt them down?
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
They aren't beholden because of their traits; it's because they don't produce anything but slaves. So their trade is dependant on people trading with them on both sides.
That won't become true of us simply because we get the same trait.
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [PDN] Majorly push forward forests (Main Expand Forests, -2 Centralization)
[X] [React] Reorganize army and hunt deserters (Found Mercenary Company + Sailing Mission (anti-pirate))
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The one in the lowlands needed to make a new province.
1-2 more actions.
Sort of. It means that you can build it with advanced knowledge already in place.
Logistically, if you want to maintain a pool of infected cows to ensure you always have it available, you might as well distribute to the rest of your people.
Possibly.
Your priests think so.
"Nice gardens!"
"Thanks, we work very hard on them!"
The Highlanders can be very rigid about the rules and about enforcement.
Sort of. It can spin off on its own, but its more often a subset of Diplomacy.
2. Broadly correct
3. Will fix
4. Fairly high, depends what else you do
5. It would be the Dragon Banner officially spun off, and assigned to hunt down what the boats find (if they find anything).
6. When bored, the People go out into the woods and take care of things. The Centralization drop is granting additional authority to do these things without central oversight.
Sort of. The majority of it is a stripped out ruin, but a section of the outer walls has been restored and extended to create an enclosed area. The Skull Wall was torn down and the Old Center is generally avoided, although it is rapidly becoming a slum where outcasts hide out.
Lets say that the kind decided to "just... not".
Would you rather take {M} Enforce Justice now and something like {S} Restore Order + {S} Proclaim Glory next turn to get us to a golden age, or
the sailing combo and {M} Enforce Justice next turn to get rid of the pirates?
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'd have to take direction from the thread, since I haven't looked at updates before I joined in much detail and we haven't had a golden age since I joined.
Concho117
Going really fast!
- Location
- Somewhere in Orbit
[X] [Pox] Yes (Khemetri gain knowledge of how to do the Sacred Warding, the People gain Predictive Astrology)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PDN] Push forward forests (Sec Expand Forests, -1 Centralization)
[X] [React] Meet yeoman demands (Sec New Settlement + Sec New Roads, meets Yeoman faction demands)
[X] [React] Attempt to root out problems (Main Enforce Justice)
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
[X] [Iron] Allow finished goods to be traded
[X] [PDN] Push forward forests (Sec Expand Forests, -1 Centralization)
[X] [React] Meet yeoman demands (Sec New Settlement + Sec New Roads, meets Yeoman faction demands)
[X] [React] Attempt to root out problems (Main Enforce Justice)
[X] [PiA] Highlanders (Probably In Service to Order)
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Archaeologist: #@$R&*( Ymaryns.
Because the Ymaryn don't leave out scrap heaps and likes to rebuild and reorganize everything.
I'd want the pirates gone, because I'm pretty certain they'll have consequences that go beyond the -1 wealth per turn.
Corruption and slave-trade shit bleeding back into the People, probably.
So, Personal Divinity sounds like a nice set of actions.
I'd love to do them again next turn.
If we go hinting for pirates right now, we don't have the Cent to do it again next turn.
So think about it this way. By Hunting for pirates, you are ALSO giving up what is effectively a free Main Expand Forest next turn.
Is that really worth it, especially with how valuable Stability and cleaning up corruption are narratively at this point?
I'd love to do them again next turn.
If we go hinting for pirates right now, we don't have the Cent to do it again next turn.
So think about it this way. By Hunting for pirates, you are ALSO giving up what is effectively a free Main Expand Forest next turn.
Is that really worth it, especially with how valuable Stability and cleaning up corruption are narratively at this point?