We have genius administrator, I find it rather unlikely. Right, @Academia Nut?
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DocMatoi
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Sounds like the mandala system, tbh
Politically, yes. Economically, we've only built for the guilds.
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Isn't Mandala build on Independence rather than interdependence?
I dunno. I rather wait for them to figure out iron and then start trading.
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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a name isn't just a name it's a narrative
and yeah, I agree
in which case maximillian is wrong, we're not choosing aristocracy we're just continuing it
no, it's built on interdependence between a core state and its subordinates; between subordinates, the core state, and subsidiary states; and between subsidiary states, subordinates, externals, and the core state.
Unless we're talking about the real mandala model espoused in the original paper in which case it's basically just growing circles of enemies, enemies-of-enemies, enemies-of-enemies-of-enemies, etc. The only interdependence there is countering your enemies.
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Doubt it; or do you think that, in a society that prizes excellence, a poor artisan is going to be as respected as a skilled one?
People aren't inherently equal, and Arete focuses attention on that.
Of course, Best of the Best already does that, and Arete means more of our society is going to seek excellence, and butt their heads against glass ceilings as they do; it doesn't reduce stratification, but it means stratification now produces administrative pressures, which means the Ymaryn now have reason to pay attention and maybe do something about it.
Now we just need the tools to ensure what gets done about it is a positive. Paper would be a good start.
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@veekie's mechanics experiment convinced me to do docks rather than poppies.
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DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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Yes, give us some squeaky wheels to grease! Let us fix the problem!
Sol Zagato
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Umi-san
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Maybe the trell conquered them
When they finally die we'll have a city with three layers of walls
poetic skill, and thus being good at understanding legalese and how to phrase things appropriately
respect for tradition
knowledge of the classics (and thus a solid educational grounding)
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emotional control
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I'd say that any society that does respect them the same is sick. Poor artisan shouldn't be completely disrespected, but he should be respected less.
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I don't like the thought of forcing a split of focus by starting two mega-projects right now.
It just seems clear to me; if we set the Guilds to do an intensive job like a mega-project, then that is going to take away effort and material from the other mega-project.
It just... Maybe in some cases, starting 2 mega-projects would be intriguing, to see what happens. But right now, I care more for the games.
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I don't like the thought of forcing a split of focus by starting two mega-projects right now.
It just seems clear to me; if we set the Guilds to do an intensive job like a mega-project, then that is going to take away effort and material from the other mega-project.
It just... Maybe in some cases, starting 2 mega-projects would be intriguing, to see what happens. But right now, I care more for the games.
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Missed most of the discussion, unfortunately. Bandwagoning onto this because of the plan for the follow up war next turn, which should should have eliminated enough shinies this turn to give it a high chance of happening.
Long term, I'd like to see if we can keep Wealth above 10 for the free Stab drip. Constantly kicking megaprojects sounds pretty great.
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Missed most of the discussion, unfortunately. Bandwagoning onto this because of the plan for the follow up war next turn, which should should have eliminated enough shinies this turn to give it a high chance of happening.
Long term, I'd like to see if we can keep Wealth above 10 for the free Stab drip. Constantly kicking megaprojects sounds pretty great.
I rather not, as kicking should be used only occasionally. We saw a narrative effect in the form of football hooligans.
Abby Normal
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Almost certain that that's not an every turn thing...would be rather broken if so. Pretty sure thats a "you went low enough on wealth to scare the guilds. Dont fix it and trouble brews. Fix it and things are good. Fix it ridiculously so, and the guilds are reassured" thing, not just "you have more than 10 wealth, congrats have free stability"
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Disapointed we don't have a CB with the HK. Now we have to wait till they attack us YET AGAIN to finish them off.
What happened here? Did we lose territory? Did they merge into one? Or did we fill one in when we were not looking?
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Disapointed we don't have a CB with the HK. Now we have to wait till they attack us YET AGAIN to finish them off.
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What happened here? Did we lose territory? Did they merge into one? Or did we fill one in when we were not looking?
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Oh right, we got two Holy Sites in the Stallion Tribes. Ox Rest was presumably their freebie in Stallionpen.
Historically happened before. Building walls around the target city took a certain kind of crazy, but it worked for keeping them pinned inside.When they finally die we'll have a city with three layers of walls
Yes, but it remains that it went from "we must ensure they can think to do their jobs" -> "we must ensure they are learned in the skills it takes to do their jobs" -> "we must ensure they are learned in the arts even if they'd never use it in their jobs"
While traces of the roots remained, and it's not useless...it certainly wasn't selecting the best candidate anymore for the job as the main focus.
That said our Elitism evolution seems fine.
Honor of Elites - The Elites, particularly the military elites, deserve recognition. This boosted the Martial gain of recruiting elites.
Best of the Best - Everyone(but especially the military) should strive to compete to be the best at all expense, for they are honored above all others. This led recruiting elites to spawn cultural development as elites compete and forms of recognition must be developed.
Life of Arete - Could focus on Excellence being for all people, not just the elites. You can and should excel in any trade.
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I rather suspect the 'riots' happened due to being above the Martial tolerance before the completion of the Games.
That said I agree with the sentiment of not spending stability carelessly, especially since I doubt that the >10 Wealth boni will be available every turn.