Paths of Civilization

maximillian · Aug 1, 2017

DocMatoi said:
I'm against social stratification, which an aristocracy inevitably leads to.
"When the poor have nothing to eat, they shall eat the rich."

Its good then that the rich can still defend themselves.

Rakuhn · Aug 1, 2017

Chronic said:
I don't see why People are planting poppies. Grand Docks are almost strictly better. If it works as expected we get the same +1 stab and an amazing megaproject, and if it doesn't we get valuable intelligence on how Symphony, our most mysterious trait, works.

1) We aren't sure how Megaproject support will interact with running two megaprojects at once. It's possible that by attempting to do both, we'll lose out on getting this turn's completion bonus.
2) Poppies have been desired for a while, and people see a chance to get them.
3) Having more trade good dominances is nice
4) It might be useful for the war next turn.

That said:
I'm not sure which project I support, so I'm not voting this turn.

hylas240 · Aug 1, 2017

Wait...if we start both the Grand Docks and International Games...will our provinces split their actions between both? If so, we might not finish the International Games by the mid turn (losing us the special bonus).

Unless the provinces actually have 3 main actions?

Carrnage · Aug 1, 2017

maximillian said:
And this was true to an extent in most societies. As high culture and the arts of war were the epitome of goodness and virtue, and so the upper classes evolved into focusing purely on those aspects, and not really caring much for anything else (I am over generalising here).

wouldnt this mean thay the nobles would dedicate themselves to pursuir of at least one of our values? The only one i can see being entirely undesirable is honourable death.

BungieONI · Aug 1, 2017

hylas240 said:
Wait...if we start both the Grand Docks and International Games...will our provinces split their actions between both? If so, we might not finish the International Games by the mid turn (losing us the special bonus).

Unless the provinces actually have 3 main actions?

Four Secondaries for the Provinces, at least two mains, three with the Law.

maximillian · Aug 1, 2017

Carrnage said:
wouldnt this mean thay the nobles would dedicate themselves to pursuir of at least one of our values? The only one i can see being entirely undesirable is honourable death.

My guess is that we would evolve a nobility of the coin.
As the other forms are rather unlikely in the current Ymaryn society.

SpeckofStardust · Aug 1, 2017

maximillian said:
My guess is that we would evolve a nobility of the coin.

So money above all else?
Dead to the commies then

agumentic · Aug 1, 2017

Chronic said:
I don't see why People are planting poppies. Grand Docks are almost strictly better. If it works as expected we get the same +1 stab and an amazing megaproject, and if it doesn't we get valuable intelligence on how Symphony, our most mysterious trait, works.

Actually, if my calculations are correct, then if we choose megaproject now, then we wont be able to use both offence policy and Terrify next turn.
Next turn we have two diplo, we need three.
Two actions out of four are locked with main war mission and terrify.
If we use secondary to swap policies, then we must spend guild action to build Docks, but we didn't generate diplo.
If we don't, then we don't have offensive policy.

While I don't think it's a big problem, a lot of people might.
On the other hand, fighting and winning a war while on megaproject policy can be legacy-worthy in itself.

maximillian · Aug 1, 2017

SpeckofStardust said:
So money above all else?
Dead to the commies then

Wealth accumulation yes, but more wealth by commerce or finance specifically.

If we had private landholding we may be able to also develop wealth by rent or produce. Which opens up the way for more diverse forms of aristocracy, be it the nobility of the robe, sword or petty nobility.
This would of course turbo boost our cultural development.

Azel · Aug 1, 2017

agumentic said:
Actually, if my calculations are correct, then if we choose megaproject now, then we wont be able to use both offence policy and Terrify next turn.
Next turn we have two diplo, we need three.
Two actions out of four are locked with main war mission and terrify.
If we use secondary to swap policies, then we must spend guild action to build Docks, but we didn't generate diplo.
If we don't, then we don't have offensive policy.

While I don't think it's a big problem, a lot of people might.

We still have the mid-turn to get some Diplo.

agumentic · Aug 1, 2017

Azel said:
We still have the mid-turn to get some Diplo.

Huh, there is that. Slipped my mind. Maybe even more trails?

Carrnage · Aug 1, 2017

maximillian said:
My guess is that we would evolve a nobility of the coin.
As the other forms are rather unlikely in the current Ymaryn society.

Only wildcat prospecting is a mercantile value.

According to our values ymaryn prize:
Well tended land
Justice
Acceptance
Exploration

Co-operation
Self Sacrifice in battle
Knowledge

Being skilled as warrior alongside your job
Being skilled at what you do
Looking after your subordinates and/superiors

Really if LoA leads to novles championing ymaryn values i think i can live with that.

DocMatoi · Aug 1, 2017

maximillian said:
Wealth accumulation yes, but more wealth by commerce or finance specifically.

If we had private landholding we may be able to also develop wealth by rent or produce. Which opens up the way for more diverse forms of aristocracy, be it the nobility of the robe, sword or petty nobility.
This would of course turbo boost our cultural development.

And stagnate our social development. Please keep useless rich idiots as far away from the Ymaryn as we can get them.

Quest · Aug 1, 2017

Carrnage said:
Only wildcat prospecting is a mercantile value.

According to our values ymaryn prize:
Well tended land
Justice
Acceptance
Exploration

Co-operation
Self Sacrifice in battle
Knowledge

Being skilled as warrior alongside your job
Being skilled at what you do
Looking after your subordinates and/superiors

Really if LoA leads to novles championing ymaryn values i think i can live with that.

Are we Japan?

Dieb · Aug 1, 2017

[X] [Mega] Upgrade Best of the Best to Life of Arete
[X] [Main] International Games
[X] [Secondary] New Trails
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [Guild] Plant Poppies

keenscythe · Aug 1, 2017

Quest said:
Are we Japan?

Can't be. We don't hate Filthy Gaijin enough for that.

maximillian · Aug 1, 2017

DocMatoi said:
And stagnate our social development. Please keep useless rich idiots as far away from the Ymaryn as we can get them.

Oh yes they are totally idiots and useless, they wouldn't become rich or stay rich otherwise!

I mean really this whole idea of the wealthy as dimwitted imbeciles who are secretly plotting evil is silly to a rather cartoonish degree.

Carrnage · Aug 1, 2017

Quest said:
Are we Japan?

We are ymaryn.

Omegahugger · Aug 1, 2017

Quest said:
Are we Japan?

If the Ymaryn do not have a word for "worked themselves to death", I would be sorely surprised.

BungieONI · Aug 1, 2017

Quest said:
Are we Japan?

As far as I've been able to tell our workaholic nature is vaguely similar.

maximillian · Aug 1, 2017

DocMatoi said:
And stagnate our social development. Please keep useless rich idiots as far away from the Ymaryn as we can get them.

And the nobility and clergy where the priemer force for social innovation and development throughout history.
What you meant was probably economic stagnation. And even that is not quite true.

Kiba · Aug 1, 2017

Quest said:
Are we Japan?

We are our own thing, unique in the history of that world and ours. There will be no one quite like us, before, or since.

DocMatoi · Aug 1, 2017

maximillian said:
they wouldn't become rich or stay rich otherwise

Sure they would, with private landholding, they'd inherit highly profitable land and/or other wealth from their family and just live off that.
I'm not talking out of my ass here - this is what happens irl.

PrimalShadow · Aug 1, 2017

agumentic said:
Something to note, if we want to take Terrify next turn, we need to get one Diplo somewhere. So, either other secondary or guild action.

Trails give us +1 diplo.

10ebbor10 · Aug 1, 2017

PrimalShadow said:
Trails give us +1 diplo.

As will the International Games.

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