Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Because the Xohyr, Thunder Horses and the Spirit Talkers all famously died from a single blow.
Paths of Civilization
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yeah i also plan to go to war next turn.
The HK doesn´t have an choice, but to back stab us at every turn if they want to be independet.
If they don´t we will slowly start to eat them.
Better to stab them to death in what should be at least somewhat painless comparedto them backstab us at every chance they get.
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yeah i also plan to go to war next turn.
The HK doesn´t have an choice, but to back stab us at every turn if they want to be independet.
If they don´t we will slowly start to eat them.
Better to stab them to death in what should be at least somewhat painless comparedto them backstab us at every chance they get.
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So you want to wait until they are a legitimate threat rather than when they are not?
Makes total sense! Why spend a smaller amount of time, effort, and resources now when we can wait and maybe all die or at least spend an even greater number of time, effort, and resources?
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The Xohysirri did. Phygrif, remember? And so did the spirit talkers, they were slaughtered by nomads (and us, sorta) in a single turn. And your last example is still around. If you meant the Thunder Speakers, they were conquered in three to four years by a heroic martial Thunder Horse king.
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The ST did die from a single blow when they were assaulted by the nomads their entire army made up of only elites were wiped out and when their elites were wiped out so were they.
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If it's not the Khemetri, they will instead backstab us when the next big nomad horde shows up.
I don't particularly care about their territory, but we should at least straighten our borders and take the passes so that we can wall them in. They can rot in their mountains for all I care.
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Were going to force vassal them.
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Kill all their leaders and upper caste and replace them with Ymmaryn.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Pretty sure I've opnly stated that I'd rather beat them when they actually present a fight.
That was the third or so time the Dead Priests had suffered a lethal grow and shrunken greatly. And that's not counting when they split off from the Lowlanders and before that.
They got the nickname of Cockroaches for a reason.
They first had a bloody battle losing a large amount of their forces, then had to wipe out the entirety of our forces and then be attacked by what was once a nomad horde to fall.
And let me remind you, the Spirit Talkers were not martially inclined and yet it still took this much.
Part of the reason that we were able to convince voters that they sould seek white peace with the Highland Kingdom was the promise that their time would come.
If we do not attack the Highland Kingdom, we can be assured that said voters will never be willing to vote for a peace with any nation that leaves our enemies relatively unscathed. They won't trust the rest of us to hold to our promises and assurances.
Can you imagine how horrible the last war would have gone if we weren't able to focus the entirety of our remaining forces on the Khemeteri? Imagine that for every single multination war we go through for the next several dozen turns.
If we do not attack the Highland Kingdom, we can be assured that said voters will never be willing to vote for a peace with any nation that leaves our enemies relatively unscathed. They won't trust the rest of us to hold to our promises and assurances.
Can you imagine how horrible the last war would have gone if we weren't able to focus the entirety of our remaining forces on the Khemeteri? Imagine that for every single multination war we go through for the next several dozen turns.
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We get stability every time the HK try to take a swing at us though, which is pretty useful.
Occasionally having an option to turn martial into a stab boost is worth a ton.
Occasionally having an option to turn martial into a stab boost is worth a ton.
No. These guys have figured out iron from us. They will figure out siege at some point and break through when we can least handle it.
Of bloody course they are! That is how armored dudes die when fighting against knifer's: they get attacked from behind!
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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A reasonable concern and actually a good reason to take them down to vassalization(beyond the other strategy concerns already brought up), though one I put less weight too since I recall at least one instance that we were dealing with Nomads and they did not attack us in recent history.
My memory may be mistaken though so take that with a pinch of wariness.
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Was this before or after we took the lowlands, burned xohyr and became king of the hill?
If they keep fracking up, deport them.
Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
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my idea for HK is blitzkrieg stuff so they only border us and the mountains. and then grind.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
They are also not going to attack us so readily now, as they'll suffer a Stability Loss each turn unless they manage to get an actual Casus Belli.
Unless they have a good Stability Generator, that's going to take its toll.
Unless they have a good Stability Generator, that's going to take its toll.
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Bolded and italicised and underlined it the part where you say you want to wait until they are a threat to our civilisation before doing anything
BungieONI
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I'm going to point out to you right here that this, is a terrible idea.
What happens when we let them survive long enough to gain siege tech? They attack while we are busy, as is the pattern, and then we lose land and DS procs. We then beat them, and white peace/minor tribute, for neutral stability. 0 net stab and we are down some war actions which could be used holding off whatever is trying to defeat us, with maybe some loot.
What happens if, even without siege, they roll well and can surround some settlements? We proc DS and thus get net 0 stability when we white peace/minor tribute them and similar payout as above.
I think it is far more reasonable to assume that if they can attack us they can do it well enough, having iron and experience fighting, that they can sufficiently annoy us.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Not quite accurate.
Here is where I say that I want them to be an actual threat before fighting them.
Like I said, I've been pretty open about that.
10ebbor10
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Probably we gain more art and mysticism for actions, but spend even more stuff on them.