It is my understanding that we are likely to complete the megaproject this turn.
Yes, but if we immediately start the Census, then province actions will split between the two, pushing the completion date back - but we'll quite possibly get initial admin benefits, and the delay gives time to start a Golden Age before completing both projects, which may give extra special bonuses.

Possible vote:

[Main] Census
[Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[Secondary] Proclaim Glory x2
 
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I want to stay on Megaproject Support as long as possible. It guarantees that The Law will double a [Main] as long as we leave the resources necessary, so it's basically a free action every turn.

Also we need to beat the Khemetri. Those jerks still have more megaprojects than us!

Next turn we need to start a new megaproject, almost certainly the Census. If things are still looking safe I think I'll actually support double-megaprojecting in the hopes of getting a legacy, either Census+Dam or Census+Games.

A Golden Age would be really nice but we can delay that for a turn. Enforce Justice+Wildcat Survey remains an extremely valuable option...
 
Just to clarify, we know via direct AN confirmation way back when that the boost is based on number of province actions; i remember in the first boom there was a big push to expand to get another action for it. The only real speculation in that post is whether iron blooded counts for Golden Age.


I mean, thats a danger with the voting system in general, even if no one approval voted? I'm honestly not sure how approval voting significantly increases that risk?


The palace explicitly doesn't count as land management project:

It's extraordinarily unlikely you'd get a 6 way tie between main actions with non-approval voting, while it's a small but still in the realm of possibility chance with approval.
 
I want to stay on Megaproject Support as long as possible. It guarantees that The Law will double a [Main] as long as we leave the resources necessary, so it's basically a free action every turn.

Also we need to beat the Khemetri. Those jerks still have more megaprojects than us!

Next turn we need to start a new megaproject, almost certainly the Census. If things are still looking safe I think I'll actually support double-megaprojecting in the hopes of getting a legacy, either Census+Dam or Census+Games.

A Golden Age would be really nice but we can delay that for a turn. Enforce Justice+Wildcat Survey remains an extremely valuable option...
Census + Games would be of relatively equal length, I.e. Short. Doing Dam w/ Law would give us the chance to immediately build the lowland canal upon finishing the Dam. And they might be equal in length, too.
 
You know, a while ago I saw someone, I think it was @tryrar, ask how we're going to ever integrate the Stallions with their +12 Martial. I quoted it awhile ago but it's gone now.

I think I just realized how. After the next Nomad Hoard, the North is going to be battered and the South's is likely going to be weak. That'd be the perfect point stat wise and narrative wise to integrate the March. They're weak and can't do their job, but we will bring them in fully under our aegis so that they can recover.
 
Bonus to my plan above: if we deliberately delay the Palace, then the art cost of PG doesn't matter.

So...would Main PG + Main Expand Econ guarantee Palace finishing while in Golden Age?
Mmm. If provinces do two megaproject actions and Secondary Expand Econ (I am not sure how many province actions we have anymore), EE+PG would result in Econ 15 Mysticism 15 Stability 3, it seems.
 
So...would Main PG + Main Expand Econ guarantee Palace finishing while in Golden Age?
If you want to finish the Palace while in a Golden Age you need to get Stability 3 immediately, since Golden Age doesn't trigger until a full turn has passed at 2 gold stats+max stability. (You'd also need to choose which 2nd stat to golden, and none of them are particularly easy to get immediately, though they're all gonna be golden in ~2 turns)
 
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So...would Main PG + Main Expand Econ guarantee Palace finishing while in Golden Age?
Actually, my suggestion was to start a second project right now. That will split province actions, buying time. Meanwhile, we proclaim glory, starting the GA process. That consumes art, further delaying the Palace and thus buying more time.

We could do the Census, to rush for the Law, or wait for the extra library and instead do the Dam.
 
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[X] [Main] Integrate Vassal - Colony
[X] [Secondary] Influence Subordinate - Lowlands
[X] [Secondary] Found Colony - Greenshore
 
Actually, my suggestion was to start a second project right now. That will split province actions, buying time. Meanwhile, we proclaim glory, starting the GA process. That consumes art, further delaying the Palace and thus buying more time.
How would consuming 3 Art delay the Palace? We only need at most 5 actions to complete the Palace, and each action costs 1 Art so even if we spent 3 Art on proclaim glory we would have 8 Art which is more than enough to finish the Palace. Also, do you have a source on Megaproject support splitting actions between two megaprojects (since they wouldn't need to spend any actions on the second project this turn since we already have an action for that project)
 
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[X][Main] Grand Palace
[X][Secondary] Build Docks
[X][Secondary] Build Docks x2
[X][Secondary] New Trails
[X][Secondary] New Trails x2
 
Speaking of nomads..

If there are horses in North America, then the civilizations bordering the plains will experience the same kind of hell we do. Wouldn't that be interesting?

If we meet, we will be able to share in our hatred of nomads.

Or if not, there will be not!American nomads once somebody introduce horses to the continent.
 
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If you want to finish the Palace while in a Golden Age you need to get Stability 3 immediately, since Golden Age doesn't trigger until a full turn has passed at 2 gold stats+max stability. (You'd also need to choose which 2nd stat to golden, and none of them are particularly easy to get immediately, though they're all gonna be golden in ~2 turns)
Well, yes, then PG+EE now would likely do the trick. Alas, we have a trade post to protect.
[X][Main] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] More Boats
[X] [Secondary] More Boats x2
 
How would consuming 3 Art delay the Palace? We only need at most 5 actions to complete the Palace, and each action costs 1 Art so even if we spent 3 Art on proclaim glory we would have 8 Art which is more than enough to finish the Palace.

Ah. Hadn't actually checked the numbers, I just remembered people being concerned about art supplies recently. I guess the festivals resolved that.

Also, do you have a source on Megaproject support splitting actions between two megaprojects (since they wouldn't need to spend any actions on the second project this turn since we already have an action for that project)
Nope! We've never tried it! Breaking new ground :)

But since it would be exceptionally difficult and micro-managerial (thus unlike AN) to make two megaprojects finish at exactly the same time, I'm hopeful that we could get a legacy simply by overlapping them.
 
Oh @Academia Nut since the question came up among other people but was not directed at you last night, what war ends count as non-destructive for Joyous Symphony?

Basically do White Peace's, Extra Tribute, Demand Territory, Vassalization, etc count?

Thank you for your time!

They would be listed, but basically mostly just White Peace and sometimes Extra Tribute would have the bonus stability listed.

Trade chief: Is the Metal Worker region stabilized to point of pre-chaos level of trade?

War chief: Are our docks able to produce water war focused ships?

Shaman Chief: are there difference between function of shaman, eldar, and priest?

Farm chief: how much change in harvest now that the weather is regular?

King: Do we have centralized construction regulation? Quality of material and worker training, etc...

Nope.

Maybe?

Shamans are mostly the ones who help communities and individuals deal with local spiritual matters, while the priests.

Pretty significant.

Yes.

how many people live in Trelli anyway? Because given that they aren't a true city you'd think it would only be in the low tens of thousands at most which kind of puts a cap on how far they can expand.

They are a True City, so over 100,000. Not much more than that, but there's a lot there.

what has the opinion of the south the Stallion Tribes changed to after we did Main Study Alchemy for them?

Pretty good. Also, with the likely completion of the palace this turn you will gain a clearer understanding of the opinion of your subordinates.
 
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