You know of lions and tigers and smaller felines, but the Khemetri are the ones with the semi-tame, semi-friendly ones wandering around. They have probably managed to hitch enough rides that there is a stable population in Trelli at the moment.
Just a matter of time before they're hunting all the rabbits and squirrels
Create more interdependence of goods and services, ensure that those goods and services are easily accessible, always available, without risk of being disrupted by outside forces.
We already do that I think.
Its why territory loss hits us so hard.

And they don't care that we basically implode their civilization and taking over?
They're alive and well fed, their metal is more in demand than ever.

ACTUALLY IT WASN'T THE EQYPTIANS WHO FIRST HAD CATS
IT WAS WE

THE FERTILE CRESENT!
But the egyptians really freakin loved their kitties
 
And they don't care that we basically implode their civilization and taking over?

That was ages ago, and our actual deeds were somewhat opaque to a normal POV in how they helped the collapse. The story is probably told about the area falling to chaos then the People stepping in to help (First set of land annexing) after which the rulers foolishly started a war which helped lead to the final nail in the coffin for them or something along those lines.
 
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails

Tsk tsk on those Hatvalley thoughts, seems we may need a standing army after all to keep those rich businessmen well in hand for the future. Another way would be this paraphrased quote "A man owes a bank a million dollars then the bank owns him. A man owes the bank a hundred million dollars then he owns the bank." So just build enough trails until its not economically feasible for Hatvalley to break off, (plus build all the docks around us so they can't trade unless through us).
 
You know of lions and tigers and smaller felines, but the Khemetri are the ones with the semi-tame, semi-friendly ones wandering around. They have probably managed to hitch enough rides that there is a stable population in Trelli at the moment.

Hah, then it's only a matter of time until they spread to Greenshore. And then...kitties for us!
 
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
 
North - Do we really need the south? Then again, they have been pretty good about actually helping out with this new project... yeah, yeah, we feel a sense of pride towards this accomplishment, they helped out bigtime. Past generations was just trouble that couldn't be avoided. Then again, there's always trouble... oh wait, nomads are coming back, right...

Hatvalley+River - We're really rebuilding that which was lost here guys, thanks to them. Then again, we're so rich down here, do we really need the east? Hmmm... well, they do have all the best warriors, so maybe now isn't a great time.

East+Vassal - We need their armies!

Vassal - For foreigners they're not so bad...
So roads have been making things better... but I still don't like these thoughts. As soon as possible we should probably start integrating.... the North or Hatvalley+River? Perhaps it would be a better idea to do the Stallions first so that we would still have the Hawks in position to protect us while also splitting the northern powers in half. Then after a little bit we can integrate Hatvalley+River area because those guys are getting ideas and their new sapphire mine isn't going to help things. Then we can turn around and absorb the Hawks, wait for three turns and build a new march. Currently I'm thinking that West Wall can wait the longest to be absorbed.

Actually does anyone think we can integrate the Stallions next turn? They completed their temple (their source of pride) and by that time we'll be at diplomacy 12.

But the egyptians really freakin loved their kitties
While the Not!Egyptians might have their cats we have hawks. Hawks are much cooler than cats. In fact we'll breed Hawks so big that they can eat their cats.
 
I wasn't around, but... that emphasizes the point. Roads increase Centralization, which is a stat that by definition can't be raised very far. So no civ can build many roads without a lot of time spent delegating and restructuring admin. That... doesn't seem like RL.
I think the main thing to keep in mind is that roads probably only increase Centralization for civs that are already centralized. If we build roads, that means that people in Redhills or Northshore can more easily raise issues with the king (which increases centralization).
If the former Hathatyn (as an example) build roads, then since they were more of a confederation people in outlying territories wouldn't be raising more issues with the king since they don't do that because of government structure. Which means that they can build more roads than us without risking overcentralization.
Actually does anyone think we can integrate the Stallions next turn? They completed their temple (their source of pride) and by that time we'll be at diplomacy 12.
Probably not unless the partial work on the palace improves our administrative situation since integrating the Stallions gives us another province which has been noted to increase administrative stress.
 
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[X] [WC] No, it will be developed in good time
[X] [React] Main New Trails
 
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So roads have been making things better... but I still don't like these thoughts. As soon as possible we should probably start integrating.... the North or Hatvalley+River? Perhaps it would be a better idea to do the Stallions first so that we would still have the Hawks in position to protect us while also splitting the northern powers in half. Then after a little bit we can integrate Hatvalley+River area because those guys are getting ideas and their new sapphire mine isn't going to help things. Then we can turn around and absorb the Hawks, wait for three turns and build a new march. Currently I'm thinking that West Wall can wait the longest to be absorbed.

Actually does anyone think we can integrate the Stallions next turn? They completed their temple (their source of pride) and by that time we'll be at diplomacy 12.


While the Not!Egyptians might have their cats we have hawks. Hawks are much cooler than cats. In fact we'll breed Hawks so big that they can eat their cats.
Right now I'm thinking Palace, then Stallion Integration, then Hatriver/Valley Integration, with Census, Roads, and the Law inbetween.

We probably have been having these Subordinate States for much longer than we had any right to, and they likely haven't broken away yet because of a combination of Symphony and Lord's Loyalty
 
Actually does anyone think we can integrate the Stallions next turn? They completed their temple (their source of pride) and by that time we'll be at diplomacy 12
We want to wait until the nomads are killed again. The ST feels that fighting nomads is the entire reason they are a march after all, so intergrating them when a horde is ready to attack would piss them off.
 
Probably not unless the partial work on the palace improves our administrative situation since integrating the Stallions gives us another province which has been noted to increase administrative stress.

Also, ridiculously high martial that we can't deal with at the moment since we don't have the stability for it, and we're dealing with two crisis.
 
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While the Not!Egyptians might have their cats we have hawks. Hawks are much cooler than cats. In fact we'll breed Hawks so big that they can eat their cats.
...Get out.

Cats are far more useful to an agricultural civilization than Hawks are even without my less rational objections to your everything.

While the exact history of human interaction with cats is still somewhat vague, a shallow grave site discovered in 1983 in Cyprus, dating to 7500 BCE, during the Neolithic period, contains the skeleton of a human, buried ceremonially with stone tools, a lump of iron oxide, and a handful of seashells. In its own tiny grave 40 centimeters (18 inches) from the human grave was an eight-month-old cat, its body oriented in the same westward direction as the human skeleton. Cats are not native to Cyprus.
lik dis if you cry erry time
 
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Praised for controlling vermin and its ability to kill snakes such as cobras, the domesticated cat became a symbol of grace and poise. Wild cats naturally preyed upon the rats and other vermin that ate from the royal granaries. They earned their place in towns and cities by killing mice, venomous snakes, and other pests. They were worshiped by the Egyptians and given jewelry in hieroglyphics.
Hawks and Crows for life. Get outta here with your heresy! :p


why cant we be friends

why cant we be friends
 
Probably not unless the partial work on the palace improves our administrative situation since integrating the Stallions gives us another province which has been noted to increase administrative stress.
Right now I'm thinking Palace, then Stallion Integration, then Hatriver/Valley Integration, with Census, Roads, and the Law inbetween.
We probably have been having these Subordinate States for much longer than we had any right to, and they likely haven't broken away yet because of a combination of Symphony and Lord's Loyalty
We want to wait until the nomads are killed again. The ST feels that fighting nomads is the entire reason they are a march after all, so intergrating them when a horde is ready to attack would piss them off.
I brought it up mainly because I'm pretty certain that our diplomacy will start overflowing after next turn, which is a major waste. We don't have a lot of big ways to bring up our diplomacy and considering we're going to need at least 30 diplomacy to integrate all of our various territories and our vassals it looks like a bad idea to waste our diplomacy on overflow.

And I do know that AN said we could handle integrating the Stallions about two updates ago I think, thought things might have changed since then.

Edit: Sorry, I got the numbers wrong. The total diplomacy cost will be either 34 or 36, depending on what we do with our vassal.
 
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Praised for controlling vermin and its ability to kill snakes such as cobras, the domesticated cat became a symbol of grace and poise. Wild cats naturally preyed upon the rats and other vermin that ate from the royal granaries. They earned their place in towns and cities by killing mice, venomous snakes, and other pests. They were worshiped by the Egyptians and given jewelry in hieroglyphics.



Behold the true vermin eater!
 
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
 
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