- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- Hell
@Academia Nut how likely is it that we hit Centralization 5 in this midturn process?
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Dude, you're already out on the limb of a hypothetical THREE stability loss without us doing something about it. I'm not willing to further speculate on whether we would have time to take a reaction at that point. We generally wouldn't have a problem with it.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
- Location
- Staring into the void
Inserted tally
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Analysis and Diffcheckers -- "Palace Decisions"
Diff Checker (Civ Sheet)Diff Checker (Civ Sheet BBCode)
Econ 5 -> 7:
6 (Actual previous update) - 1 (Locking in palace improvements) = 5 (This update) + 2 (Refugees) = 7
Econ Expansion: 10 -> 11:
10 - 2 (Refugees) + 1 (Palace improvement refund) = 11
Wealth 6 -> 8:
+2 (Really fucking lucky sapphires!)
Stab 1 -> 0: bad roll on refugees.
Also in case anyone missed it, we had 9 art last update, not 7 like originally shown.
Trade Status
| Resource | Status | Rivals |
| Luxuries | ||
| Amber | Known only | |
| Fine Pottery | Minor | |
| Fine Dye | Dominating | Trelli |
| Fine Textiles | None | Swamp Folk, Trelli |
| Furs | Known only | |
| Gems | Significant | Trelli, Tin Tribes, Khem (in) |
| Glass | Dominant | |
| Gold | Significant + Lesser trading (in) | Metal Workers, Khem->Trelli |
| Incense | None | Khem->Trelli |
| Mercury | Dominating | None |
| Silver | Leading (in, needing) | MW, Trelli |
| Salt | Dominating | Trelli |
| Spices | None | (SI+Khem)->Trelli |
| Wine | Dominating | Trelli |
| Strategic | ||
| Copper | Leading | Highlanders, Thunder Horse, MW, Trelli |
| Bronze | Minor | Trelli |
| Slaves | Forbidden | MW (in), Trelli, TT |
| Tin | Minor + Trading | MW (in), TH (in), HK (in), Tin Tribes, Trelli->Khem |
| Iron | Non-traded dominant | None |
| Cultural | ||
| Pilgrimage | Leading | Thunder Speakers |
Gems: Added, with us already at significant, and the Trelli and Tin tribes with production, the Khemetri important them for...some reason?
Slaves: Tin Tribes also trade slaves.
Tin: The tin tribes are, obviously, involved in this, though the trelli still are threatening to dominate.
Edit: The Tin Tribes are not in the Hath area:
New miltech! Likely pretty damn important
Oooh, that sounds damned important...
!!! Fuck yeah! =D
Hmm...anyone know what this could be? Are they using sapphires as currency? I think i've heard gems can be used for mirrors or lenses, so maybe they've invented those?? Or are they just big in their religion or their architecture?
Wealth is great! Stab hit not so much...
Hmm, probably want this, yeah? Doing the main will cost us an econ, and a mysticsm since we dont have double refund yet, and thus an art, though...
Edit: As veekie suggests, this might lead to learning how limestone-based mortar works, which would greatly improve building, and if we're lucky might lead to new trail tech if we take that??
At least want one of these...taking the full bit is likely to make us dominate it, since we're already at significant
Many choices...but since we're dropping cent most likely, i think trails is important.
Here's the stats for the big options for this vote, btw:
For now:
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
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pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Probably yet another wonder.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
an action free trails? Yes please!
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
an action free trails? Yes please!
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Integrate Vassal-Heaven's Hawks
I also want to integrate the Stallions eventually.
The People should be one.
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Integrate Vassal-Heaven's Hawks
I also want to integrate the Stallions eventually.
The People should be one.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Veekie will be proud of us.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Holy Crow shit.Also, history sheet updated.
As promised, double billing on infographic today. This is how many actions we and our subordinate states have per turn:
We have a LOT of actions now..
Dayum.
I do believe the Tin Tribes are where the Trelli get their tin and the TT live some where north west of Trelli near the MW. In fact we may have met them already in that one update which said the MW collapsed a bit and our traders went farther up their rivers in order to make bank.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
The Heaven's Hawks are not a vassal.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Alright, it's been half an hour. Locking in:
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
Stallion-kun will be ALL the happy.
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
Stallion-kun will be ALL the happy.
- Location
- Madness realms
Man when we finally start/finish integrating our vassals in 5-15 turns I'm going to be happy
The priests are interested in learning how bones might get into rocks and are requesting funds for a study
This is the discovery of Mortar, figuring out how limestone can fuse other rocks together. Well, if we succeed.
[] [Alchemy] No, it is needed for other things
[] [Alchemy] Some support (Secondary Study Alchemy, Stallions pleased)
-1 Mysticism, -1 Wealth, potential new discoveries
[] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
-2 Mysticism, -1 Wealth, -1 Econ, increased chance of new discoveries
Note that Full Support is likely to generate Mortar discovery, which would be VERY helpful for the Palace(and Dam and everything built ever)
Rush construction of a new sapphire mine in Hatvalley?
[] [WC] No, it will be developed in good time
[] [WC] Send some artisans to help develop it (-2 Art, -1 Centralization, +3 Wealth next turn)
[] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
The loss of Centralization and the Wealth gain is good, but it does make Art a bit closer than we'd like for the Palace. Hmm. The deciding factor for me is that the biggest option can give us Market Dominance in gemstones, which would help buy us more wealth and time to fix the taxes.
If we take the Sapphire mine, then we'd want the trails, which both eases the Admin issues and brings our roads further out to buy us more time and get us more info on the situation.
Lets us do another New Trails next turn too.
What else to do?
[] [React] Main Expand Econ
Econ +4
Vanilla option. Can't go wrong.
[] [React] Main New Trails
-1 Econ, +1 Centralization, +1 Diplo, other effects
Can only take this with the Mines, but we REALLY need better roads.
[] [React] Additional Megaproject Action
-1 Econ, -1 Art
Races further to completion.
[] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
-1 Econ, -2 Wealth, +1 Stability, +2 Art, chance for additional effects
Raises Stability to give us a buffer again, and adds Art, but puts Wealth closer to the burn line.
[] [React] Main Salt Gift
-5 Wealth, random amount of Diplomacy, Art, and Prestige generated (min. 1 of each) and the possibility of Mysticism generation
Somewhat unwise statwise, but might end the war? We can hit 0 Wealth if we roll badly however.
[] [React] Terrify Enemies
-3 Diplo, can force minors to become vassals or integrate, can cause major civilizations to lose Stability
Might end the war, might make it worse, and success would probably add to the admin overload.
[] [React] Integrate Vassal
-4 Diplomacy, transitions vassal to March or Colony
Increased admin overload to transfer PTSD-chan to a March or Colony, so they don't go nuts.
Personal inclination:
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
Endstate:
Diplomacy 10 [+2] -> 11 [+2] (will start to overflow into Wealth the turn after)
Economy 7 [-2] -> 5 [-2]
Econ Expansion 10 [+2] -> 12 [+2]
Wealth 8 [+2-1] -> 9 (+2) [+2-1] (will start to overflow into Art the turn after)
Centralization 4 -> 3
Art 9 -> 6 (will gain 2 Art next turn from overflow)
Mysticism 14 (+2) [+1] -> 12 (+3) [+1](will produce 2 Art next turn)
Fairly solid for a next turn.
This is the discovery of Mortar, figuring out how limestone can fuse other rocks together. Well, if we succeed.
[] [Alchemy] No, it is needed for other things
[] [Alchemy] Some support (Secondary Study Alchemy, Stallions pleased)
-1 Mysticism, -1 Wealth, potential new discoveries
[] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
-2 Mysticism, -1 Wealth, -1 Econ, increased chance of new discoveries
Note that Full Support is likely to generate Mortar discovery, which would be VERY helpful for the Palace(and Dam and everything built ever)
Rush construction of a new sapphire mine in Hatvalley?
[] [WC] No, it will be developed in good time
[] [WC] Send some artisans to help develop it (-2 Art, -1 Centralization, +3 Wealth next turn)
[] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
The loss of Centralization and the Wealth gain is good, but it does make Art a bit closer than we'd like for the Palace. Hmm. The deciding factor for me is that the biggest option can give us Market Dominance in gemstones, which would help buy us more wealth and time to fix the taxes.
If we take the Sapphire mine, then we'd want the trails, which both eases the Admin issues and brings our roads further out to buy us more time and get us more info on the situation.
Lets us do another New Trails next turn too.
What else to do?
[] [React] Main Expand Econ
Econ +4
Vanilla option. Can't go wrong.
[] [React] Main New Trails
-1 Econ, +1 Centralization, +1 Diplo, other effects
Can only take this with the Mines, but we REALLY need better roads.
[] [React] Additional Megaproject Action
-1 Econ, -1 Art
Races further to completion.
[] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
-1 Econ, -2 Wealth, +1 Stability, +2 Art, chance for additional effects
Raises Stability to give us a buffer again, and adds Art, but puts Wealth closer to the burn line.
[] [React] Main Salt Gift
-5 Wealth, random amount of Diplomacy, Art, and Prestige generated (min. 1 of each) and the possibility of Mysticism generation
Somewhat unwise statwise, but might end the war? We can hit 0 Wealth if we roll badly however.
[] [React] Terrify Enemies
-3 Diplo, can force minors to become vassals or integrate, can cause major civilizations to lose Stability
Might end the war, might make it worse, and success would probably add to the admin overload.
[] [React] Integrate Vassal
-4 Diplomacy, transitions vassal to March or Colony
Increased admin overload to transfer PTSD-chan to a March or Colony, so they don't go nuts.
Personal inclination:
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
Endstate:
Diplomacy 10 [+2] -> 11 [+2] (will start to overflow into Wealth the turn after)
Economy 7 [-2] -> 5 [-2]
Econ Expansion 10 [+2] -> 12 [+2]
Wealth 8 [+2-1] -> 9 (+2) [+2-1] (will start to overflow into Art the turn after)
Centralization 4 -> 3
Art 9 -> 6 (will gain 2 Art next turn from overflow)
Mysticism 14 (+2) [+1] -> 12 (+3) [+1](will produce 2 Art next turn)
Fairly solid for a next turn.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
They be like "Only one as beautiful as i should have access to these magnificent stones."
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Guess how many actions we've taken so far!Holy Crow shit.
Dayum.
698 secondary actions
Cent high red has minor effects until the next turn at least. We asked before
Another freaking Wonder.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Oh shit, thats what we're going for??? I'd been thinking about going down to the secondary, but if thats even a remote possibility, then even that chance is way too important to give up in exchange fore one econ and one mysticism turned art...
Also, minor thing but i think at least the (+2) will process after this update but before we get our main turn choices next update; thats how it worked last time iirc. So we'l be looking at 15 (+1) [+1] or maybe (but probably not) 15 [+1] mysticism, and either 7 or 8 art
What wonder would require so much sapphires and gems in general, do you think?
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Agh! The bling burns mah eyes!They be like "Only one as beautiful as i should have access to these magnificent stones."
Put it away! Put it away!
*sizzling noises*
And you know what mortar can lead to? Castles.
*squeee!*
AN stahp. Staaaaaahp giving me everything I ever wanted. Ahhhh I am so happy!
*shiny eyes*
You folks remember when I was talking about how we have two distinct types of war doctrine? This is how you link them together into one cohesive super force. Or at least start too.
- Location
- United States
I noticed that our RA is still at 3, even though the Stallions build their Wonder Temple, so I guess that Temples build in subordinates don't affect the civ's total RA?
- Location
- United Kingdom
[X] [Alchemy] Full support (Main Study Alchemy, Stallions very pleased)
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails
[X] [WC] Send many experts to work at the problem (-3 Art, -2 Centralization, +2 Wealth, +2 Wealth next turn)
[X] [React] Main New Trails