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notgreat said:
We already have tons of storehouses, I see no need to make the Palace into a storehouse when we already have an excellent distributed storehouse system (far better than any of our neighbors).
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There's a reason right in the update.
Fifth were storehouses. The king's residence was already close to a number of central storehouses and granaries so it made sense, and there would of course be internal stores for the palace's consumption, but these proposals were for major areas to do nothing but store critical goods and administer their collection and distribution. These would certainly help with administration purposes, and help the city if it were ever cut off from food supplies by disaster or war.
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[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Gardens
[X] Storehouse
 
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Vote Tally : Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 2858 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 71440-71593]
##### NetTally 1.9.8
[29] Shrine
[25] Library
[24] Library x2
[17] Great Hall Expansion
[17] Storehouse
[8] Gardens
[8] Shrine x2
[7] Storehouse x2
[6] Arsenal
[5] Great Hall Expansion x2
[3] Library x3
[2] Garden
[1] Fortifications
[1] Great Hall Expansion
[1] Storeroom
[1] Library 2x
[1] Libraryx2
[1] Shrine
[1] Library
[1] Garden
[1] Storehouse
[1] Arsenal
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Loc
[22][Loc] Valleyhome
[12][Loc] Redshore
[2][Loc] Sacred Forest
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[5][Annex] Library
[5][Annex] Library x2
[4][Annex] Shrine
[3][Annex] Library
[3][Annex] Library x2
[1][Annex] Storehouse
[1][Annex] Great Hall Expansion
[1][Annex] Storehouse
[1][Annex] Shrine x2
Total No. of Voters: 39
 
The Sandman said:
The Garden is included less for the cultural importance and more for the ability to grow various things that might be needed elsewhere. Like opium poppies, for example, which we'd probably want to keep control over the cultivation of anyway.
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I can't help but think of other reasons to grow opium in the Palace.

"Oh Crow, the Thunder Horse diplomats are coming by again. I am going to need more painkillers..."
 
So the current winning vote is:
[] Shrine
[] Library
[] Library x2
[] Great Hall Expansion
[] Storehouse

I'm OK with that. Even if I'd rather swap the expansion out for a shrine or storehouse.
 
[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X] Shrine
[X] Library
[X] Arsenal

I'd like to exclude the shrine and make a political statement, but at this point our clerics are also our R&D department and pissing them off is counterproductive.
 
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notgreat said:
We already have tons of storehouses, I see no need to make the Palace into a storehouse when we already have an excellent distributed storehouse system (far better than any of our neighbors).

Unless you think Valleyhome's gonna be besieged any time soon, that is.
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It's probably a cultural difference thing. In my view a storehouse under the king gives the king exclusive power to fund his/her plan without outside influence.

The general storehouses are in the bureaucracy's control (and artisan association, temple group) so that puts limits on the king's power.

Think of it in current government's setup, different levels of government each have their own treasury; why is that?

It's so they all have some direct untouchable power if they need it.
 
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ctulhuslp said:
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
can we has rome nao?

Okay, no. This is a great thing, but after the crisis.
Still, this is something I am going to keep in mind.

I wonder what Great Hall x4 + Garden x4 would look like?
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I wonder what 8x Garden would look like.

"So guys... we invented National Parks a few years early..."
 
Actually, here's a cleaned up tally merging all the options together

Vote Tally : Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 2858 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 71440-71593]
##### NetTally 1.9.8
[11] Gardens
[7] Arsenal
[7] Storehouse x2
[5] Great Hall Expansion x2
[3] Library x3
[1] Fortifications
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Loc
[22][Loc] Valleyhome
[12][Loc] Redshore
[2][Loc] Sacred Forest
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Annex
[34][Annex] Shrine
[34][Annex] Library
[34][Annex] Library x2
[21][Annex] Storehouse
[19][Annex] Great Hall Expansion
[9][Annex] Shrine x2
Total No. of Voters: 39
 
The best synergy vote should include at least 4 of these following: Redshore, Expanded Great Hall, Gardens, Shrine, Librariesx2, Arsenal and Storerooms. It makes our Palace big enough to be a focal point and has ease of access to everyone plus gives us enough artisans to make it truly beautiful.
 
[X] [Loc] Valleyhome
[X][Annex] Shrine
[X][Annex]Library
[X][Annex]Library x2
[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Gardens
[X] Arsenal
[X] Storehouse
 
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[X] Storehouse
[X] Storehouse x2
[X] Arsenal
[X] Arsenal x2
[X] Fortifications
[X] Fortifications x2
[X] Fortifications x3
[X] Fortifications x4

Looks good to me.

Edit: removed a fortification for more storehouse. Need to be able to stand up to sieges after all.
 
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[X] [Loc] Valleyhome

[X] Great Hall Expansion
[X] Great Hall Expansion x2
[X] Shrine
[X] Shrine x2
[X] Library
[X] Library x2
[X] Gardens
[X] Gardens x2
 
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DragonParadox said:
This makes all of no sense. Sacred Forest is in the South just as much as Vallyehome.
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Doesn't matter, apparently due being a place of spiritual significance, since it somehow, by just being that, became the centre of our civ (which includes the north just fine) and despite being between Redshore and Valleyhome, both which should catch way more attention
 
...So pretty clearly each addition is an extra action. 5-7 base with one free annex, adding on one of each additional annexes increases it by six annexes and six actions to 11-13.

Yeah, less is more.
 
ETA50M said:
The best synergy vote should include at least 4 of these following: Redshore, Expanded Great Hall, Gardens, Shrine, Librariesx2, Arsenal and Storerooms. It makes our Palace big enough to be a focal point and has ease of access to everyone plus gives us enough artisans to make it truly beautiful.
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You know, an 8x Garden choice in Redshore might give us an Aqueduct+Palace hybrid...
 
Umi-san said:
The Storehouses are useful to prevent things breaking down further and if Valleyhome is under siege or if a weather event impacts our econ again. Their benefit to admin overall seems quite obvious.
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Weather doesn't significantly impact us any more. That was the whole point of Sacred Forest Renewal. Major disasters are dealt with in a single turn, minor disasters are entirely ignored. Catastrophic civilization-ending disasters can now be fought, though victory is not guaranteed.

As to the admin...
@Academia Nut
How much does the Storehouses help our admin woes? I thought that was generally dealt with at a layer below in our hierarchy.

ScreenWatcher said:
[X] Gardens x2
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You'll want to include a normal [] Gardens vote in there as well (and with all the others)
 
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