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[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] No
 
Sup folks.

Leading voties.

[67][RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
Ymaryn shaman: "Yo dude priest man, watch this! Wololo"
Lowlander priest: o_O:wtf::wtf: (...the fuck did I just watch...)

[70][Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
Ymaryn: "Ya you take your shit like this, put it in here, and burn it. It's wonderful stuff. Hard work though, but we have things for that!"
Vassals" "You wot mate? ... Holy Shit."
Ymaryn: *Winky-face*

[63][Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
Ymaryn: "WE ARE THE LAW! YOU WILL FOLLOW IT AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!"
Vassals: "IEAAAA YMARYN-SENPAIIIII~ NOT THERE!"

[62][Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
Ymaryn: "Watch this!" *Mill goes spin spin spin!*
Vassal: *is dizzy*

[41][High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
Ymaryn: "No! Bad HK!" *Thwap* "Leave us be, we have Taxes to deal with!"
HK: *whimper*

[24][RB] Deploy against Highlanders from Hatvalley
Ymaryn RB: "RAAAAAGHHHHHH!" *stab*
HK: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHFLRIBBLE!" *ded*

[60][React] Main Improve Annual Festival
Ymaryn Commoners: "Let's Party!"
Ymaryn King: "Oh god... the taxes..." *grabs nearest strong drink*
Commoners + King: "Let's Party! We are so fucked."

[40][City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
Ymaryn King: "Kay, you lot over here can do what you need to to not starve."
Ymaryn Shamans and Priests: "Fucking Hallelujah! Debate time!"

[41][Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)
Ymaryn border guard: *sees distant people* "Hail! Want some food?"
Refugees: *Groaaaan* "Fooooooo..."
Ymarun border guard: "This way folks! Want a free dye sample?"

And that's my quota of silly today. Might do more.
 
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[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] No
 
Sivantic said:
O_O

I do not think that is a route we wish to travel.

Our religious sect is suppose to be a moderating influence on our powers not a rivaling one.
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This was known from a while back, specifically noted when the option first came up.

Though do note this is only the first step on a long road to the problems you are imagining.


ThrawnCA said:
I voted for this before it was confirmed-by-AN-to-bolster-them-in-religious-debates .
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Hey so did I! *fistbump*
 
Sivantic said:
Our religious sect is suppose to be a moderating influence on our powers not a rivaling one.
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But! We're seeing right now that regardless of our desires, our priesthood will indeed have rivals. And we do not want those rivals to steamroll their beliefs all over us.

ETA Besides, isn't it desirable to have rivals keeping each other accountable at the top of government? Maintaining the balance may be delicate, but important.
 
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I like the combo we have going against the HK. Add the Red Banner, so we have significant force (and they know it), but only ask for tribute. Hopefully that will get it through to them that we're deliberately letting them off easy.
 
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
[X][RB] Deploy against Highlanders from Hatvalley
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] No
 
ThrawnCA said:
But! We're seeing right now that regardless of our desires, our priesthood will indeed have rivals. And we do not want those rivals to steamroll their beliefs all over us.

ETA Besides, isn't it desirable to have rivals keeping each other accountable at the top of government? Maintaining the balance may be delicate, but important.
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Our Priestshood have internal rivals as well as religious rivals. They do not have a say on how our government is run. We should not mix our religion with our bureaucracy because they are our neutral arbiter and they help keep the peace. They are the ones that train our Blackbirds after all and that is not group we want in the hands of politicians.
 
@Academia Nut

Is it possible that we could get some professional artwork for this quest? Specifically if we collectively contribute X amount of money? I know that one other quest done it(though, annoyingly buried deep).
 
[X] [Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)

We're the Ymaryn, and we're here to help!
 
Sivantic said:
We should not mix our religion with our bureaucracy because they are our neutral arbiter and they help keep the peace.
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But the king is a neutral arbiter and peacekeeper, too, and tangled in bureaucracy up to his eyeballs. They're not incompatible.
They are the ones that train our Blackbirds after all and that is not group we want in the hands of politicians.
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I thought the blackbirds already do pretty much whatever the king wants?

Being suspicious of handing out political power is fine. But what about the glaring example of supreme executive power sitting right in front of us? He doesn't warrant any suspicion, any checks and balances? We don't want him to have any rival at all?

If the idea is that he's safe because we control him, that's clearly not always true.
 
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
[X] [High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
[X][RB] Deploy against Highlanders from Hatvalley
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] No
[X] [Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)
 
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ThrawnCA said:
But the king is a neutral arbiter and peacekeeper, too, and tangled in bureaucracy up to his eyeballs. They're not incompatible.

I thought the blackbirds already do pretty much whatever the king wants?

Being suspicious of handing out political power is fine. But what about the glaring example of supreme executive power sitting right in front of us? He doesn't warrant any suspicion, any checks and balances? We don't want him to have any rival at all?

If the idea is that he's safe because we control him, that's clearly not always true.
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Yes, the King can do whatever he wants and the Blackbirds answer only to him. We do not want that to fall under anyone else.

No, the King does not warrant any suspicions, since he does what we want. The checks and balances are already built in with our oligarchs and advisory choosing who the heir is and they ensure that the average King is to everyone's benefit.

The only ones we don't control are the heroes and that is because they almost always know the situation better than us. This last nomad hero being the only exception because he is a frikkin nomad.
 
Sivantic said:
The only ones we don't control are the heroes and that is because they almost always know the situation better than us.
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What if strengthening others' influence meant that we had more information about what's happening and thus more options to choose from, or more complete knowledge of those options? As it stands, we frequently take a shot in the dark regarding what different courses of action will actually do. If we had more input from the artisans, the priests, the farmers, the soldiers, we might be better able to act.
 
Sivantic said:
O_O

I do not think that is a route we wish to travel.

Our religious sect is suppose to be a moderating influence on our powers not a rivaling one.
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Why would they be a rival? Our values are identical and they are the mods for our civilization with heavy influence on BB and War Priest. So it is in our interest for them to grow and counterbalance the current giant mess of government.

No one listens to the weak and powerless, so them being more powerful serves positive purpose.
 
veekie said:
Meanwhile PTSD-chan has communal psychological problems, while also revealing that we've had much easier time annexing people via diplomacy because they are in trouble and willing to accept anyone with a fix...and by conquest, who expect you to be gone in a few generations anyway.

And they've been conditioned to consider slaves as tribute. Sigh.
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Fuck that's horrific. Like holy shit the fridge horror. The values dissonance and horror this is causing in the Ymaryn who oversee the vassal must be ridiculous.
 
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