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The problem is that we debate with philosophy, they debate with appeal to faith and it's really effective.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
The problem is that we debate with philosophy, they debate with appeal to faith and it's really effective.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
with our love of wisdom and our other traits this should be good
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
assert our authority but give them some goodies in exchange
[X] [RB] Deploy to assist vassal against the Swamp Folk
We can deal with the hk and nomads
[X] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
this war has gone for long enough
[X] [Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)
could always use more econ
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
We can always use more stab
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
Sounds good to me
with our love of wisdom and our other traits this should be good
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
assert our authority but give them some goodies in exchange
[X] [RB] Deploy to assist vassal against the Swamp Folk
We can deal with the hk and nomads
[X] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
this war has gone for long enough
[X] [Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)
could always use more econ
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
We can always use more stab
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
Sounds good to me
- Location
- Philippines
We also appeal to faith as well we show them the ability of fythagynna by giving them good soil we show them crow's wisdom by teaching them how to harness the rivers and if need be we will show crow's wrath by stomping any resistance they have.
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- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
We need our vassal to stop attacking people.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Fuck now we have to deal with priests whose only quality is their belief instead of our shaman's knowledge and somehow they are making a dent in our society. Why doesn't everyone want to worship Crow 
?
?
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
I would argue that our appeal to Faith would actually be stronger.
I mean, part of the reason why the Xohyr prayed to their so-called Gods were to ward off natural disasters, which is something the Ymaryn Gods clearly handle better.
@Academia Nut You have New Trails still paying off with diplo.
Yet we only have 6 Diplo from 4 last turn, when we have a passive gain of 2 Diplo. Have you forgotten to update new trails to not give diplo with mains or did you forget to add the diplo?
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
There is also some synergy with sending the RB away since they were the source of this.
*holds chin*
Yep I'm going to take about 30 mins to think about this.
- Location
- Australia
@Academia Nut, why was it a good thing that we kept the Red Banner at home?
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Just remember to not send the Red Banners back into the lowlands since they are just going to get more rooted in their blood demanding gods.
- Location
- United States
It's probably so that we have any idea what the Lowlander Gods are like, and that's the only reason we could try and debate with them at all instead of just stamping out their religion.
Also, wait. We only got one cent from that, bringing us up to 4, and it's yellow?
That bodes ill.
- Location
- Philippines
Not if we replace their priests with our own.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
[X] [RB] Remain at rest
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)
Edit:
Debates because of synergy with Love of Wisdom
Black soil (and mills to assist with the production of black soil) to reduce their need to fight for more territory
Humiliate to end that war asap
Remain at rest due to spiritual values being challenged with debates
Festival for stability and communication
City change for additional centralization cap, and to reduce admin overload
minimal amount of refugees as we have our own issues to deal with, limited econ expansion, and need high stability to offset the religious debates.
Edit 2: this costs 3 econ, and takes in 2, leaving us on 1 econ.
Edit 3:
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
[X] [RB] Remain at rest
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)
Edit:
Debates because of synergy with Love of Wisdom
Black soil (and mills to assist with the production of black soil) to reduce their need to fight for more territory
Humiliate to end that war asap
Remain at rest due to spiritual values being challenged with debates
Festival for stability and communication
City change for additional centralization cap, and to reduce admin overload
minimal amount of refugees as we have our own issues to deal with, limited econ expansion, and need high stability to offset the religious debates.
Edit 2: this costs 3 econ, and takes in 2, leaving us on 1 econ.
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DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
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- They/Them
I thought there were two gold numbers, or am i remembering wrong?
- Location
- From the moon
... what we need is not voting off the hip or bandwagoning. SO Please no votes unless you explain your reasoning/link to the reasoning your using.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Crack down on their priests (-1 Stability, potential war with vassal, potential +1 Religious authority)
[X] [Low] Restrict right to wage war to defensive only (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Permit their use of iron tools (Allows iron tools to be traded to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
[X] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
[X] [RB] Deploy to assist vassal against the Swamp Folk
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)
Fucking Lowlands.
[X] [Low] Force them to follow the spirit of the law (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Crack down on their priests (-1 Stability, potential war with vassal, potential +1 Religious authority)
[X] [Low] Restrict right to wage war to defensive only (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Permit their use of iron tools (Allows iron tools to be traded to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
[X] [High] Humiliate (+1 Prestige, completes immediately)
[X] [RB] Deploy to assist vassal against the Swamp Folk
[X] [React] Main Improve Annual Festival
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
[X] [Refugee] Just those who come of their own initiative (Potential stab loss, +2 Econ)
Fucking Lowlands.
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So, this would massively improve their farms, but their ability to smith the iron in much quantity would be likely minimal. It also rusts fairly quickly. Feels like a calculated risk, as it'd make them heavily dependent on us for more iron, yet risk our secrets getting out.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Ah that smell of molten salt. Holy Shit everything is on fire!
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
If they want to preach, then they need to prove it and work for it. Ain't gonna let them have a free run.
[X] [Low] Restrict right to wage war to defensive only (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
Make sure them are limited to defensive only and give them power to better their soil with REAL WORK.
[X] [High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
Might as well get some money out of those attackers.
[X] [RB] Deploy north to guard against nomads
God damn timing of things.
[X] [React] Main Expand Econ
Food is food, and we are at 2. T_T
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
Go free cause we can't handle all of our shit.
[X] [Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)
Need that economy but stability is a problem.
Edit: added a bit more to our warring vassal.
[X] [RA] Increase debates to determine the truth (-2 to +2 Religious Authority based on success of debates, potential shift in Spiritual Values)
If they want to preach, then they need to prove it and work for it. Ain't gonna let them have a free run.
[X] [Low] Restrict right to wage war to defensive only (Potential stability loss, potential war with vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce black soil to improve their conditions (Teaches black soil to vassal)
[X] [Low] Introduce mill technology to improve their conditions (Teaches water mill to vassal)
[X] [Low] Send over assistance (Transfer 1 Econ + 1 Martial)
Make sure them are limited to defensive only and give them power to better their soil with REAL WORK.
[X] [High] Extra tribute (+2 Prestige, +2 Wealth, probably completes this turn)
Might as well get some money out of those attackers.
[X] [RB] Deploy north to guard against nomads
God damn timing of things.
[X] [React] Main Expand Econ
Food is food, and we are at 2. T_T
[X] [City] Yes (Transfers 2 Econ + 2 Econ expansion, nulls cost of maintenance for Sacred Forest)
Go free cause we can't handle all of our shit.
[X] [Refugee] Bring in a bit more than usual (-1 Stab, potential further loss, +4-5 Econ)
Need that economy but stability is a problem.
Edit: added a bit more to our warring vassal.
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- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
I think we need to pop our true city.
We haven't had that for organizational stats.
...
Wait, is what happened that we lost diplo and cent from the western wall transferring control of one of their provinces to us?
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
I am unsure this is valid in econ costs.
- Location
- United States
Gold centralization used to be 5, like a couple of turns ago.
Now its 4, which ruins a lot of the long term plans people had.
Less that it ruins plans - long-term assumed we'd be gaining 2 from the trails - as something worsened our government's ability to function, and if we don't know what, it could happen again.