- Location
- Leeds
Oh well hell.
Time to continue our struggle to maintain relative democracy/meritocracy.
Time to continue our struggle to maintain relative democracy/meritocracy.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
People should note that our department chiefs will prop up the below average states of our candidates.
Also, war in a middle of climate event doesn't sound good. Neither does screwing all other branch associations to add power to Valleyhome.
Also, war in a middle of climate event doesn't sound good. Neither does screwing all other branch associations to add power to Valleyhome.
- Location
- Hell
You guys need to read closer
He makes the Northern Provinces happy...by helping them ignore Southern Influences.
Phygrif is planning to break us in half.
[X] [King] Rulwyna (Main Expand Econ)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
Going with Rulwyna. When the other choices are corruption, I am going to go with the child.
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Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
[X] [King] Rulwyna (Main Expand Econ)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
Hopefully he doesnt live too long and doesnt entremch cronyism too much.
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
Hopefully he doesnt live too long and doesnt entremch cronyism too much.
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- Location
- Illinois
Dyth solidifies the north/south divide, child king set's a precedent that you can put puppets on the throne, golden idiot is golden idiot.
All of them have problems, I just personally believe that we can best manage the ones Phy brings.
All of our options are shit, yes.
- Location
- United States
Hmmm, just went looking through the project options and found this:
[] War Mission
-Target Options: Northern Nomads, Xohyssiri (Baby Eaters)
So Nomad King could go conquer the lowlands, which would make sense but we have no casus beli for, or the Xoh, who are known to us as baby eaters and would likely have a lot of popular support.
It depends on what he means by conquer I suppose.
Would he focus more on "conquering" the lowlands by expanding into it, or on "conquering" the Xoh in what would likely be a war of humiliation?
Not sure, but don't have any major problems with either one.
[] War Mission
-Target Options: Northern Nomads, Xohyssiri (Baby Eaters)
So Nomad King could go conquer the lowlands, which would make sense but we have no casus beli for, or the Xoh, who are known to us as baby eaters and would likely have a lot of popular support.
It depends on what he means by conquer I suppose.
Would he focus more on "conquering" the lowlands by expanding into it, or on "conquering" the Xoh in what would likely be a war of humiliation?
Not sure, but don't have any major problems with either one.
- Location
- Canada
Child rulers are the worst thing to happen to Kingdoms and Empires.
The child is by far the worst choice we can pick. Our nobles are kept in check by the King, our lower class know they have a voice when they are being exploited and we spent the last few turns going on a purge of corruption. Removing all these limitations for our oligarchs and establishment to run wild for the next 2 to 4 turns will destroy us. These advisors will make it so that these new powers they gain will become permanent. However they are all garbage.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Something we rightfully never cared about. Our strength is exactly that we, as a player base, don't think in the attitudes of the time. And we don't need more bloody chariots!
- Location
- Philippines
@Academia Nut what is our trade dominance in gold now that we have a gold mine site?
Dywhuwyn is even WORSE to quote the post he likes VALLEYHOME, stability and his own power notice how it is valleyhome and not the people as a whole putting him in charge will most likely cause civil war
- Location
- Illinois
Why would a king break his own country in half? If he's elected, he'll just make sure the northern provinces get a stronger voice than they have, not declare the north its own kingdom.
*Looks at update.*
Well, that's not bad.
*Sees what people are voting for and remembers the general stances the thread has claimed.*
...
I mean, I see where AN got the idea that this would be a super contentious vote, now, but a lot of people here are taking some interesting viewpoints here to support their claims. As such.
[X] [King] Rulwyna (Main Expand Econ)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Encourage resettlement (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
No discussion or analysis from me. It's tiring for people to not actually listen to you, or to listen to you and then change their mind a couple hours later, managing to forget your actual stance on anything.
Well, that's not bad.
*Sees what people are voting for and remembers the general stances the thread has claimed.*
...
I mean, I see where AN got the idea that this would be a super contentious vote, now, but a lot of people here are taking some interesting viewpoints here to support their claims. As such.
[X] [King] Rulwyna (Main Expand Econ)
[X] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
[X] [Refugee] Encourage resettlement (-1 Stability, chance of further loss, +4-5 Econ)
No discussion or analysis from me. It's tiring for people to not actually listen to you, or to listen to you and then change their mind a couple hours later, managing to forget your actual stance on anything.
Sure, raising Martial isn't the best thing we could be doing with our time, but we are only at 4 martial right now; some focus turned that way is still helpful, even though it is admittedly less helpful than the same amount of energy spent elsewhere. And in return, we get a nearly-free March, and gain 1 Wealth/turn in wealth-drip that we don't have to pay any more.
As far as the conquest policy goes; well, he'll be around for all of one turn. We are going to be using up our Mains on the megaproject and the Chariots, so he isn't even going to get to send out main war missions or anything. I just don't see the focus meaningfully coming into play here.
Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
- Location
- Canada, ontario
Atleast someone understands this.... At this point, we have two options that don't immediately cause problems and have a good chance of screwing us over hardcore: Rulwyna and Dythuwyn. One is a blank slate that can likely learn the skills needed, and the other is a guy who is likely to keep us together for at least another turn...
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
I hope you guys realize that Py w/e the fuck is going to break our pacifist streak, hes going to actively Wage War, if its not against the nomads it goes against our values of only defense and offense in that defense
- Location
- Philippines
He will live for a turn which is an entire generation which is estimated to be about twenty years ask yourself if that is enough time for a person such as the one you are voting for to cement his changes
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Diff Checker (Regular Civ Sheet)
2 + 1 (King of the Hill) + 1 (Mature Trading Post) + 1 (Build Docks)
Econ 11 -> 5
11 - 4 (Megaproject) - 1 (Docks) + 2 (Expand Econ) - 2 (True City) = 6 - 1 (??) = 5.
?? Is likely the econ penalty that came with the -2 martial due to We Have Reserves :/
Econ Expansion 6 -> 8:
6 + 4 (Megaproject) + 1 (Docks) + 1 (Loss to war) + 2 (True City) - 2 (Expand Econ) = 10 ... Hmm, or maybe we took climate damage early without it showing, and lost 1 econ and 1 econ slot, but lost no econ to war? @Academia Nut ?
Martial 6 -> 4:
Ouch, two martial lost from a secondary war mission, almost certainly a crit fail :/
Wealth 9 -> 9
9 - 2 (Mercs) +1 (Salterns) - 1 (Art patronage) - 1 (Study Stars) = 6 + 3 (???) = 9
Presumably +3 from random crit in finding gold?
Most likely from succession crisis, unless hidden climate damage was -1 econ, -1 slots, -1 stab?
14 - 4 (megaproject) + 2( Study Stars) +1 (Temple) = 13
Diplo 2 -> 5:
2 + 1 (King of the Hill) + 1 (Mature Trading Post) + 1 (Build Docks)
Econ 11 -> 5
11 - 4 (Megaproject) - 1 (Docks) + 2 (Expand Econ) - 2 (True City) = 6 - 1 (??) = 5.
?? Is likely the econ penalty that came with the -2 martial due to We Have Reserves :/
Econ Expansion 6 -> 8:
6 + 4 (Megaproject) + 1 (Docks) + 1 (Loss to war) + 2 (True City) - 2 (Expand Econ) = 10 ... Hmm, or maybe we took climate damage early without it showing, and lost 1 econ and 1 econ slot, but lost no econ to war? @Academia Nut ?
Martial 6 -> 4:
Ouch, two martial lost from a secondary war mission, almost certainly a crit fail :/
Wealth 9 -> 9
9 - 2 (Mercs) +1 (Salterns) - 1 (Art patronage) - 1 (Study Stars) = 6 + 3 (???) = 9
Presumably +3 from random crit in finding gold?
Stab 3 -> 2:
Most likely from succession crisis, unless hidden climate damage was -1 econ, -1 slots, -1 stab?
Religious authority 3 -> 2 as expected. No longer italic
Mysticism 14 -> 13
14 - 4 (megaproject) + 2( Study Stars) +1 (Temple) = 13
Err, you kind of got cut off there; i assume Admin, but what were her other skills, since that could easily be "Heroic Admin, heroic mysticism" or "Heroic Admin, Excellent mysticism" that got cut off, instead of just "heroic admin"?
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Also, @Academia Nut can you confirm whether Phygrif's intention is to strengthen northern strength as part of the People (and thus increase ties to the south), or strengthen the north so it can be separate from the south?
I'm pretty sure that we critfailed our war mission and lost a few martial points.
While I'd prefer just about any other recruitment action, chariots does help rebuild our forces.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
[x] [King] Rulwyna (Main Expand Econ)
Going by how old all these conspirators are... I do not think we will have a problem.
[x] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
We must.
[x] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
We must.
Going by how old all these conspirators are... I do not think we will have a problem.
[x] [Hat] Yes, become a Colony
We must.
[x] [Refugee] Take in as many as possible (-2 Stability, chance of further loss, +6-8 Econ, different benefits if Hatvalley a colony)
We must.
Assuming he can, that's far from our most important values.
He's also the closest thing we've got to a king who'll work for the whole of the Ymaryn, rather than letting cliques gather more power to themselves.
- Location
- Philippines
Better that than breaking our meritocracy(golden boy), or causing a civil war due to preferential treatment of a single province among all others(Dythuwyn) or cementing hereditary rule(rulwynna)
- Location
- Hell
Phygrif is the one that solidifies the north/south divide even more so.
It says it right there
He would be moving to increase the divide between or northern and southern provinces. He does not say that he would try to promote working together, he is saying that he would make it so the northern provinces no longer need to heed the southern provinces.
- Location
- his hidden lair
No... He's planning on leveraging his kingship to get the North more political relevance and influence against the Oligarchal families that utterly dominate the South and are entrenched against the North.
Giving the North more stake and influence in how the People are actually governed is pretty much the best way to keep them around right now. I know it's sort of hard to consider, but breaking the political dominance of the South is a good thing.
Like this is utterly non-fucking-sensical. 'The South has a disproportionate amount of political power, the lawfully elected Northern King using his influence and authority to give the North a bigger voice in governance and break some of the power bases for the ancient Oligarchal families /=/ civil fucking war.
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Rage Against the Steppes gives us permanant casus beli there, I think.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
