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it will if we reach - stab like the last time but we should be fine so long as we stay at 0 or positive stab
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The average Ymaryn does not elect kings, the elites do.
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But they do affect public opinion assuming we take any of the other options and Ruwynna is a candidate for king there will likely be a lot of discontent(stab hit) and maybe distrust over her position(legit hit) unless she proves herself worthy and let's face it gun powder (if it is gunpowder) is not useful at this time period so that will not be enough. Now extending the Ymaryn's borders and winning a war now that shows to everyone that she is king material.
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No, but, being fair, it is impressive. Remember the Spirit Talkers basically ran their civilization off illusions and stage magic.
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Hmm... I do not agree about your interpretation.
All of these options are to deal with her enemies, which in our society and considering her birth if they are dealt with she will be king. This is how I understand the system of Oligarchs to work.
The first does it the direct and easiest way I agree. It does also fight gender inequality and makes our warrior elite more influential. It just makes sense. This is how our society works. Warriors are slotted in for chief/kingdom because that's how our people's logic works.
The diplomatic ties to the Highlanders are specifically to get her clout and buy her way to the top. How else would she deal with her enemies? Thus it will end up in her being king if she succeeds to a moderate degree, which is totally possible and quite likely. Gender inequality is poor heading towards worse.
The running to the Nomads is the worse for getting her to be king, because she is escaping her problems and may well not come back. If she does come back though then she will probably have to use "strongly worded and sharp arguments" to convince people that she should rule. Which would be a stability and legitimacy disaster.
The Study option means she secludes herself, dropping out of the political radar and thus out of the reach of her enemies until she can master it to the degree that she can awe her way into power. Mysticism is a powerful thing in this day and age. If she succeeds even moderately then she can work her Mystic knowledge to defeat her enemies.
Essentially what I am getting at is that the simplest way for her to deal with her enemies is become king. Then she has absolute power. I simply see three of the four as paths to do that, with the fourth being such a bad idea it should not be considered valid at all.
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True enough I am just saying it will not be nearly enough to get her to be king.
The study option means that while she hides and studies her opponents become strong and more popular they will do more for the people and be more visible. What are beautiful tricks compared to putting food on the tables of the citizens, or winning wars? No what she will discover will not be enough to convince people to support her.
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Gunpowder (if she can make it and not die) would be quite a bit more impressive when rather than trying to convince the people at large you just have to awe a hall full of quite well fed oligarchs.
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But are we though? someone said we are but I don't remember AN saying it. Link?
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*sigh*
She is explicitly trying to harness this to defeat and overawe her enemies. I will restate my opinion a bit differently worded:
Whatever she will find will not be considered trivial or a parlor trick. The Ymaryn do not have the social complexity and cultural knowledge to remain unswayed. This is still the age of magic, and as such priests and shamans have a lot of power. Look at how our king thinks of the shamans as great and terrible. One of the rules of societies in this age is: Do not fuck with shamans unless you want to get cursed.
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From the merchant oligarchs maybe but from the warriors or the shamans no they will be impressed maybe a bit fearful but I doubt she will cow all of them into accepting her and acquiring the throne through fear is not a very good way to get it.
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He has never come out and said we can't. He as also never come out and said we could either.
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I refuse to believe that Crow would be so offended by a seeker for knowledge that he would strike them with lightning merely for being curious.
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I do not think warriors have any special resiliency to being over-awed. Just look at our king.
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Well there is that but he might also strike the offender if they were being stupid about their safety precautions.
That distinction is a matter for priests though, and we are but humble spirits who know little of Crow and his reasons.
Crow...? Oh, you mean that stupid hunter who got his head caved in by our first king?
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Our first king who was also a moron and a massive douche.Crow...? Oh, you mean that stupid hunter who got his head caved in by our first king?
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Our first king who was also a moron and a massive douche.
Never said he wasn't. If anything we should be worshiping Crow's daughter, she was the catalyst to social change.
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I know. I just consider that entire debate of Ashryn vs Crow as a personal in joke for the thread.
Crow's daughter was awesome.
No chance actually.
The current horses can just barely carry a teenage girl and still run, they won't be able to fit adult men for a few generations yet, much less tricked out in wargear.
We ARE trying to avoid making the military as the primary route to power. It encourages border chiefs to find excuses for wars so they can win glory for the kingship.
Actually, the average Ymaryn largely elect their elites. It's just that ONLY elites really have the contacts and resources to get elected
Beautiful tricks they are not. Powerful and dangerous magics they are, like the cow warding, like the makings of metal, like the scribing of the Law.
Note that the primary concern directed at the experiments is that they are possibly TOO dangerous, not that they are useless. Anything which can cause such devastating effects illustrates why you should listen to the one who understands and wields such power.
AN had never said it's allowed, it just happens, much like the Splitters and Lumpers getting into the system.
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