Lolwyna was probably doing dangerous experiments without any safety cautions. I hope her daughter will have better sense of what she is doing.
 
I would just die if instead of gunpowder like everyone is talking about instead QM finally confirmed the whole is magic real thing and gave us the firebolt spell :V:V

It would be an amazing level of salt and holy shit magic at the same time
 
Arete (Greek: ἀρετή), in its basic sense, means "excellence of any kind".[1] The term may also mean "moral virtue".[1]

Arete.

This is not a bad thing in my opinion. Right now we almost certainly have stratification across our entire society or a good part of it, but Arete develops mechanisms against that in my understanding.

However, my honest feelings are that I really don't want to get into this right now because I can smell an argument brewing and don't want to get involved so I am going to bow out now.
Here here. Meritocratic opinion is huge. Class stratification does not translate to class-based exclusion, not on a wide scale (even though it will happen), but this does promote a desire to pick up the best where we find them, and not merely the good.
My expectation is more along the lines of a steam explosion or BLEVE, possibly realgar and chlorate, but we'll probably get something juicy even if it isn't gunpowder.
i dont think its nitroglycerin- we'd hsve to synthesize glycerol for that to be the case, and uh. That's bit out of our reach, i think.
Nitroglycerin is terrifyingly easy to produce. The two necessary raw components for the final process are created by our tailing pits and a sealed organic refuse pit (given some places still store their business in clay jars, that's not unreasonable to find). Odds are mommy just made liquid TNT and someone dropped the bottles.

[X] Attempt to finish her mother's work
 
It seems like it was 2.7 Kilotons of TNT equivalent based on this list.

Largest artificial non-nuclear explosions
Oops? I am a microbiologist, not an explosives engineer. I can do orgo like a champ, though.
But also, apparently my math basically was right. The Texas City disaster page lists a different tonnage of ammonium nitrate.
Nifty.

Can you link me to the process that does that? If it isn't too much trouble.

Article:
In laboratory, nitric acid can be made by thermal decomposition of copper(II) nitrate, producing nitrogen dioxide and oxygen gases, which are then passed through water to give nitric acid.

2 Cu(NO3)2 → 2 CuO (s) + 4 NO2 (g) + O2 (g)

From Wikipedia
 
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Chances are it wasn't gunpowder. Remember, her research was about the "male energy" being "hot" or "dry". Which means she was experimentimg with fire, trying to find out if liquids always hinder it (water can be explosive on the wrong compound), trying to prove it needed no heat to start (not sure how that causes explosions), or something similar. It's really hard to see how this line of inquiry would lead to grinding together solids, some of them flammable and set it on fire.
 
Hmm so the vote is already decided what should we do next turn I propose we main improve festivals for stab and make a new province to eastern hills assuming of course we do not have to send another war mission
 
Chances are it wasn't gunpowder. Remember, her research was about the "male energy" being "hot" or "dry". Which means she was experimentimg with fire, trying to find out if liquids always hinder it (water can be explosive on the wrong compound), trying to prove it needed no heat to start (not sure how that causes explosions), or something similar. It's really hard to see how this line of inquiry would lead to grinding together solids, some of them flammable and set it on fire.
It's something interesting and useful so my mad scientist is going "Gimmie!" and I am inclined to oblige.
 
We don't have to get to stability 3. I propose we spit out a March and do a festival. This gets us 1 stab, and gets us out of the danger zone at the same time.
By the way, did you notice that AN basically stated that festivals are more or less just paper covering for our problems and not an actual solution, while enforce justice/roo/proclaim glory actually reduce corruption and increase faith in the king?
 
We need to vent martial first and foremost.
Hmm so the vote is already decided what should we do next turn I propose we main improve festivals for stab and make a new province to eastern hills assuming of course we do not have to send another war mission
Someone suggested plopping down the NE March and doing a festival next turn.

Or a March and other things, then Main PG and Main RO the turn after.
 
By the way, did you notice that AN basically stated that festivals are more or less just paper covering for our problems and not an actual solution, while enforce justice/roo/proclaim glory actually reduce corruption and increase faith in the king?

I agree that it's papering over our problem, but we need to get to positive stability and make sure we don't have excess martial NOW.

Enforce Justice is problematic due to overcentralization, and RO with PG should be done in pair.
 
If someone can find a list of big sodium explosions I can be even happier.
Depends on the form of sodium... if she managed to separate salt... sodium on its own explodes in contact with oxygen.
If we had details about what she'd been working on we'd know but that applies to everything, and its very easy for the Naptha to just not fall in the water.
I meant when they tried to put it out. Things that burn on or under water tend to leave an impression. Fire just doesn't work that way (bronze/iron age logic).
 
I like how no one's pointed out that in terms of narrative, the Main Study Alchemy action was one of the worst things we could have done for the poor king. It was explicitly the King personally investing just as much resources he could into his old floozy of an ex's pet project as he did into the war effort. I'd be amazed if this doesn't lead to an uptick of corruption in some manner because this was naked legitimization of political patronage if ever there was one.

I don't really care for the thread's obsession with gunpowder considering properly utilizing iron is far more immediately relevant- but half the reason the girl is in this mess is because she has people gunning for her due to our our mismanagement of the situation.

Gunpowder is cool and all- but it's utterly irrelevant without the tools to properly use it. For all the morons expecting it to be some military revelation? It's not. The Mongols and the Manchus all conquered a China that knew about gunpowder and had much better tools to actually use it than we will for several centuries.

We're just developing iron scale mail, we don't need another pie-in-the-eye tech that we're not even going to have the tools to make the tools to use properly.


That's my issue- people are voting here expecting this is research on gunpowder despite inconsistencies noted in being able to develop gunpowder over say- naphtha. Moreover, people are utterly unaware of the possible utility (or lack thereof) of gunpowder right now. Not only is it just as possible it was an experiment with tar or pitch or what have you- but even if the Ymaryn jump forward thousands of years to satiate the rampant wish-fulfillment crowd, what the hell does it gain us? It's just disappointing to see how people are looking at this.

I see people looking down on the diplomatic initiative with the HK and having her become career military. And I'd be okay with this if they didn't immediately turn around and chase the moon while mumbling about hereditary aristocracy under their breaths. Say what you will, but at least we know what we're actually going to be getting with those options, and they promise to be fairly useful if somewhat loaded.
 
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We need to vent martial first and foremost.
Someone suggested plopping down the NE March and doing a festival next turn.

Or a March and other things, then Main PG and Main RO the turn after.
Isn't our stat limit decided by the number of our provinces? So we will be increasing how much martial we can handle a more long term solution than plopping a march besides the last time excess martial became a problem we were at -1 stab if we go with my plan we would be at +1 stab so we should be fine.
 
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Isn't our stat limit decided by the number of our provinces? So we will be increasing how much martial we can handle a more long term solution than plopping a march besides the last time excess martial became a problem we were at -1 stab if we go with my plan we would be at +1 stab so we should be fine.
Hmm. Either works for me.

The only thing with making a new province is that we would need to then devote actions to walling it and foresting it, or do those on the turn we make it as well as trails.
 
War clearly isn't going to win, but I can't help but hope things will turn around and she will end up smacking the Hats around so hard they submit to the People to make us stop.
 
Hmm. Either works for me.

The only thing with making a new province is that we would need to then devote actions to walling it and foresting it, or do those on the turn we make it as well as trails.
The provinces did trails this turn we are at cent five this will take us down to cent four and we are at balanced so the new province should be able to do what they need.
 
[X] Begin diplomacy with the Highlanders

Because this latest technocratic obsession the thread has with alchemy is at least as toxic as any of these other actions. And this at least promises something we can use.
 
The provinces did trails this turn we are at cent five this will take us down to cent four and we are at balanced so the new province should be able to do what they need.
Oh hey cool. Nice.

Well just expand and leave it on balanced then. I am now quite cool with either.
 
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