For all those voting for gunpowder, do we really want it right now?
Is our metallurgy good enough for cannons?
Do we even have crossbows?
Do we have a use other than it being a military tech?

If you aren't willing to use it in in war why bother getting it again? Honestly curious.
(Does gunpowder double as fertilizer or something?)
 
100% sure the malus here is that the stratification isn't limited to just military anymore, but to our ENTIRE society, so I guess in way it got worse, but its not like the stratification gap increased just who got in the stratification.
That... that sounds worse.

We will have to wait and see what the next update brings us, narratively, I suppose. I do still feel we need to try and combine it with something to moderate its influence. Meritocratic ideals are nice and elitism sucks, no matter where you are.
 
wait... fuck. She might have just found dust explosions. Things like flour and sugar can be accelerants when suspended in air. good discovery for mine safety but not gunpowder. hmm.....
 
For all those voting for gunpowder, do we really want it right now?
Is our metallurgy good enough for cannons?
Do we even have crossbows?
Do we have a use other than it being a military tech?

If you aren't willing to use it in in war why bother getting it again? Honestly curious.
(Does gunpowder double as fertilizer or something?)
Excavation. We can literally blow holes in the world now.
 
For all those voting for gunpowder, do we really want it right now?
Is our metallurgy good enough for cannons?
Do we even have crossbows?
Do we have a use other than it being a military tech?

If you aren't willing to use it in in war why bother getting it again? Honestly curious.
(Does gunpowder double as fertilizer or something?)
Smoke-bombs for our blackbirds, and once we have it, it saves time when we can build guns.

Edit: I wonder what the shock and awe value of having it will do to our mystic score, and pilgrimage.
 
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I don't know what the hell she discovered. But mad science is almost always worth it. Even if all it is is weak explosives that would be useful for mining and freaking out our enemies. The other guy's shamans calling up fiery explosions are the kind of thing that breaks the morale of armies even if the explosions are not actually dangerous.
 
wait... fuck. She might have just found dust explosions. Things like flour and sugar can be accelerants when suspended in air. good discovery for mine safety but not gunpowder. hmm.....
Either way I rate it an improvement.

Dust explosions are killer in mines.

Gunpowder @keenscythe can also be used to make primitive bombs. Make a fired clay "grenade" basically and then fill it with gunpowder, cap it, then twine fuse. Boom.
E: I am totally okay using it in war.

But yes it also has many other uses beyond explosions, I just can't think of them right this second.
Adhoc vote count started by BungieONI on Jun 16, 2017 at 2:19 AM, finished with 55545 posts and 41 votes.
 
speaking as someone who studied to work on stuff that could BLEVE... do you really think we can get the kind of pressure necessary to level a building, as described in the update? It's gotta be something chemical.

I'm not sure that "hit by lightning multiple times" translates as "leveled", but yes, I think that somebody with access to iron, copper, various clever kiln and clamp designs, as well as enough resources to build big could wreck a building with steam power alone in this age. If what she was heating was some sort of pressurized flammable fluid instead of just water you'd also have a thermobaric effect on top of it. It would fit with the hot vs dry fire arguments mentioned.
 
My expectation is more along the lines of a steam explosion or BLEVE, possibly realgar and chlorate, but we'll probably get something juicy even if it isn't gunpowder.
This is my thinking too because holy shit gunpowder, even if I speculate on how we could get it, is just too much to be credible.

It almost has to be something else, but the funny thing is that it can still be super useful.


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA my Mad SCIENTIST is going apeshit in glee right now.
Even if it's not gun powder but just steam related, that's fantastic. Having a way to instantly vaporize water and produce steam, that would be our gateway to steam powered machinery.

wait... fuck. She might have just found dust explosions. Things like flour and sugar can be accelerants when suspended in air. good discovery for mine safety but not gunpowder. hmm.....
Weren't there black marks in the ground "like lighting had struck several times". Do dust explosions only mark the ground? It sounds to me like something was set down on the ground and exploded or ignited at a high enough temperature to stain the ground.
 
I'm not sure that "hit by lightning multiple times" translates as "leveled", but yes, I think that somebody with access to iron, copper, various clever kiln and clamp designs, as well as enough resources to build big could wreck a building with steam power alone in this age. If what she was heating was some sort of pressurized flammable fluid instead of just water you'd also have a thermobaric effect on top of it. It would fit with the hot vs dry fire arguments mentioned.
Gah my mad scientist is going nuts, because I just thought of flamethrowers.

Weren't there black marks in the ground "like lighting had struck several times". Do dust explosions only mark the ground? It sounds to me like something was set down on the ground and exploded or ignited at a high enough temperature to stain the ground.
This is pretty reasonable.

Something volatile dropped can do that too.


EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I WANNA KNOW I WANNA KNOW!

*deep breaths Bungie deep breaths*
 
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So,
What the king did try to do was ensure that she was as well protected as possible, which given her actions as a horse courier meant that the king was constantly trying to find the biggest, strongest horses for her to ride so that they wouldn't be tired when he made her and her horses wear the strongest armour that could be made available. He was constantly annoying the smiths, asking for ever better scales of iron to drape across his wild daughter, and they sort of kept up, but ultimately the challenge was for the most part beyond them. Compromises had to be made, but many were interested in the advances being made.
Iron Armour
Honour of Elites -> Best of the Best
New Social value
Long hair bleached white with lime and then dyed red with ochre became a banner of oncoming death and destruction, soon accompanied by whistling and shrieking war cries and the thunder of hooves.
Horse riding tech.
And Currency happened in the background.
It's true what they say, War is the locomotive of change.
It literally says increased social stratification. What the fuck else is this supposed to mean? The 1% just got richer, and the poor have even less of a chance of rising high.
You know theres a part to this we haven't even touched, the military aspects haven't visibly changed (though presumably they are all greater) but the art is entirely new. Do we now have social stratification between our artisans?
 
@Academia Nut, I am planning to make a Negaverse Omake about the HK and if it isn't too much of a bother, I want to ask about the name for the current King of HK and the martial prince.
 
[X] Attempt to finish her mother's work

This seems like the only option that doesn't make her go on a path for the throne, which will onlh push us farther into hereditary rule.
 
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