Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
You don't want to go down that road.But what if you have size and skill
Trust me on this, I am a rabid shipper.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
But what if you have size and skill
Useless without bueaty. Size is impressive and skill is admirable, but you aient gonna even look at it if it looked like a mutant pockmarked turnip.
That's why you should vote aristocracy, they know the value of bueaty.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Thus new shipping lanes are created.
What? I'm talking about our new docks.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
As @ctulhuslp said, that's exactly what the update suggests we'd be doing by way of our hero rxplicityl wanting boats for that purpose:
@Academia Nut what were the additional effects from this round of blackbirds?
- Location
- Mists of Albion
*hugs*
So am I when the time comes
*strokes hair*
So am I
Yes, that beautiful misrule and oppression....
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
[X] [Recruit] Smaller recruitment (+3 Martial, potential additional effects)
[X] [Strategy] Relieve the west
[X] [Library] Evolve a random value other than Love of Wisdom
[X] [Boats] New design: Emphasize size
@Academia Nut will having a new size design help the relieve west action more than portability+size action?
[X] [Strategy] Relieve the west
[X] [Library] Evolve a random value other than Love of Wisdom
[X] [Boats] New design: Emphasize size
@Academia Nut will having a new size design help the relieve west action more than portability+size action?
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
You see, that way of thinking worries me. It's what sparks civil wars or lead to thoughts of "the south doesn't understand/care about our problems".
- Location
- Mists of Albion
The situation has been getting more and more complex since our last Hero turned up, the Diplo annex, more bloodshed in the south, the coming of the Nomads, the loss of most of our stats on Megaproject spam and Marches at the worst time
- Location
- Hell
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But we are doing very well? The Nomads are avoiding us right now. With the smaller choice we would have Martial 11. How is that going poorly?
- Location
- Mists of Albion
That Martial 11 doesn't count the Martial of West Wall and The Stallion Tribes helping out
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
[X] [Recruit] Smaller recruitment (+3 Martial, potential additional effects)
[X] [Strategy] Relieve the west
[X] [Library] Free Study Metal (Guaranteed breakthrough)
[X] [Boats] New design: Emphasize size
Fuck Centralization hits in this situation, no thank you. Even the potential additional effects worries me but there's no helping it.
The last time we sent nomads down into the lowlands it was a clusterfuck so bad that we had to get a Value about hubris and humility out of it. The nomads also have a martial hero, making a strong assumption of success in this endeavor, given how risky it is, simply isn't wise. Take the local win and cut off their access to the vulnerable Metal Workers and metal weapons. Combine that with metal advances to try and maintain the tech advantage.
Size + portability is silly and is mostly useful for war only and is a priority I'm comfortable not taking, especially since I don't think we should take the riskiest war option. Size is what I pushed for before, has utility in both trade and war, and may even let us get around the Metal Speakers peninsula if it's a big upgrade and really hit the nomads in the flank or rear.
[X] [Strategy] Relieve the west
[X] [Library] Free Study Metal (Guaranteed breakthrough)
[X] [Boats] New design: Emphasize size
Fuck Centralization hits in this situation, no thank you. Even the potential additional effects worries me but there's no helping it.
The last time we sent nomads down into the lowlands it was a clusterfuck so bad that we had to get a Value about hubris and humility out of it. The nomads also have a martial hero, making a strong assumption of success in this endeavor, given how risky it is, simply isn't wise. Take the local win and cut off their access to the vulnerable Metal Workers and metal weapons. Combine that with metal advances to try and maintain the tech advantage.
Size + portability is silly and is mostly useful for war only and is a priority I'm comfortable not taking, especially since I don't think we should take the riskiest war option. Size is what I pushed for before, has utility in both trade and war, and may even let us get around the Metal Speakers peninsula if it's a big upgrade and really hit the nomads in the flank or rear.
- Location
- Germany
Yeah but it will also most likely lead to this
And thus choosing this will most likely allow our lower chiefs to raise martial on their own without our input, which is a rather unequal exchange and really bad for us long term
We have a heroic martial king with poor administration. His advice might win us the war at the cost of long term problems. Like, for example, the Marian Reforms.
Edit: or the Han allowing regional governors to raise and support their own troops. Or the Tang increasing the independence of the Jiedushi.
Edit: or the Han allowing regional governors to raise and support their own troops. Or the Tang increasing the independence of the Jiedushi.
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Slightly bigger dhows? Galleys? Triremes? They were all portable.
Of course there's a limit to how large a boat can get while maintaining portability.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
As long as we can still utilise rivers with our end product, they are crucial to our centralisation options
- Pronouns
- He/Him
This is double main warriors with a main expand econ to pay for it. To get the equivalent of three main actions, you have to delegate.
1.) No
2.) Contained unless you roll shit next turn. It wasn't too bad, but it would have been enough to end the baby boom without the colony there.
3.) They have been driven off, some of the remnants have joined you
4.) Western Wall took a minor martial hit, Stallion Tribe has lost significant forces and needs reinforcement (which any of the options would do, albeit some better than others).
None this round.
Definitely not.
[X] [Recruit] Smaller recruitment (+3 Martial, potential additional effects)
[X] [Strategy] Drive them south-east
[X] [Library] Evolve a random value other than Love of Wisdom
[X] [Boats] Increase size while maintaining portability
As much as I supported size first previously, I'm not sure this is the right time for it. We'll definitely need multiple styles of ships eventually, but at the moment we're living through a 6 marital hero clusterfuck
That being said, yes, you are partially correct, in that if we're focused entirely on reinforcing areas served by docks, then a new design would probably be more efficient.
As for the debate re: how much recruitment we should do, I'm not convinced the 2 points of martial difference is worth the side effects.
EDIT: Well, I've been ninja'd
[X] [Strategy] Drive them south-east
[X] [Library] Evolve a random value other than Love of Wisdom
[X] [Boats] Increase size while maintaining portability
As much as I supported size first previously, I'm not sure this is the right time for it. We'll definitely need multiple styles of ships eventually, but at the moment we're living through a 6 marital hero clusterfuck
More likely something closer to the Greek precursor, although with our population density it can probably eventually lead there.
Considering the extremely primitive nature of our current ship technology, an order of magnitude or two. We've just barely gotten started here, there is huge room for improvement in every direction.
That being said, yes, you are partially correct, in that if we're focused entirely on reinforcing areas served by docks, then a new design would probably be more efficient.
As for the debate re: how much recruitment we should do, I'm not convinced the 2 points of martial difference is worth the side effects.
EDIT: Well, I've been ninja'd
This reminds me. For helping the metal workers, we have to travel a significant distance up a river to get to their lands. Big riverboats helps this much more than dropping stuff off at the coast.
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