- Location
- United States
The difference between now and then is pretty simple.
They don't have 2 heroes working together in leading the Waaagh!...and we have iron weapons.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
They don't have 2 heroes working together in leading the Waaagh!...and we have iron weapons.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Former
- Location
- Staring into the void
@Academia Nut The Western Wall is still listed as a March, and there's no change to the slots listed. How is it being calculated with both legacies?
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
Ho ho?!? Everyone's busy and nomads are united? What blasted luck for everyone else.
Library can be worked on slowly, better throw up some walls and train some guys for nomadic war round 3.
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
Ho ho?!? Everyone's busy and nomads are united? What blasted luck for everyone else.
Library can be worked on slowly, better throw up some walls and train some guys for nomadic war round 3.
- Location
- The Void
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
Time for these corrupt jerks to get a surprise visit from Inspection.
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
Time for these corrupt jerks to get a surprise visit from Inspection.
- Location
- New Zealand
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
I'd love Sacred Forest to be our scholarly capital, away from the politics.
[X] [Temple] Let the glory of your gods be known far and wide (+1 Prestige, Pilgrimage trade power increased)
I want the other civs to try and emulate us, because I think it'd make them nicer. Though the tech upgrade would be nice, trade power is the step towards that.
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
We've constantly had to root out corruption, and I don't think a Main Enforce Justice would be enough in this particular case. They're stifling potential innovations, and that's not right at all. It really pisses me off.
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
I could probably be convinced to switch this one if given the right argument, but I'd rather help the friends we just plonked a trading post down next to than anything else. Besides, my policy vote covers our backs in case things go bad with the other two Diplo options.
[X] [Policy] Defense
If any shit heads our way, we'll be ready to deal with it. At least if a war's coming our way we'll be able to fairly safely bleed off martial without spamming martial like the nomad rage. Also going off Megaproject support means we aren't rushing the Library, and gives our stats a bit more leeway to start overflowing into each other while we deal with the immediate issues and fortify ourselves in case the new Mega-Lowland-Grinder-swarm sweeps our way.
I'd love Sacred Forest to be our scholarly capital, away from the politics.
[X] [Temple] Let the glory of your gods be known far and wide (+1 Prestige, Pilgrimage trade power increased)
I want the other civs to try and emulate us, because I think it'd make them nicer. Though the tech upgrade would be nice, trade power is the step towards that.
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
We've constantly had to root out corruption, and I don't think a Main Enforce Justice would be enough in this particular case. They're stifling potential innovations, and that's not right at all. It really pisses me off.
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
I could probably be convinced to switch this one if given the right argument, but I'd rather help the friends we just plonked a trading post down next to than anything else. Besides, my policy vote covers our backs in case things go bad with the other two Diplo options.
[X] [Policy] Defense
If any shit heads our way, we'll be ready to deal with it. At least if a war's coming our way we'll be able to fairly safely bleed off martial without spamming martial like the nomad rage. Also going off Megaproject support means we aren't rushing the Library, and gives our stats a bit more leeway to start overflowing into each other while we deal with the immediate issues and fortify ourselves in case the new Mega-Lowland-Grinder-swarm sweeps our way.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Alright I accept that policy and law are firmly bandwagon.
But why choose the spread technique bonus when the Pilgrimage option has far far greater future benefits, especially when synergied with temple library!
But why choose the spread technique bonus when the Pilgrimage option has far far greater future benefits, especially when synergied with temple library!
- Location
- Illinois
Don't get cocky. Those two heroes caused the first famine in Ymaryn history. Iron is still a strong advantage for us, but we have to stay cautious. Hubris has killed far too many nations.
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
Absolutely. I went for the uptech because some nice buttressed walls and towers right now would be really handy against the horde.
No glory in battle, just walls with archers. No loot, just walls.
- Location
- Madness realms
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Diff Checker
14 + 3 (Saltern+Trade Dominance) -5 (Salt Gift) -5 (Found Trading Post) = 7. Also, note that we have +4/turn now, thanks to the new trading post =D
Econ 6 [-1] -> 4 [-1]
6 -2 (Trading post) - 1 (True City) -1 (Temple) - 2 (Alter March to Colony) + 4 (Baby Boom) = 4
...Thank god for the baby boom i guess
Econ Expansion 5 -> 7
5 + 2 (Colony switch) + 2 (Trading Post) + 1 (City) + 1 (Temple econ expenditure) - 4 (Baby Boom) = 4
Martial 8 {10} -> 6 {8}
8 - 2 (found trading post) = 6. Though i'm pretty sure it should be 6 {7} since usually quality of its own rounds down i think?
12 - 1 (Temple) - 3 (Library) + 1 (Canal boost from temple)
Mysticism 13 [-1] -> 9 [-1+1]
13 - 1 (wisdom) - 3 (Library) + 1 (Canal Boost from temple)= 10...Unless all the megaproject actions were for the library (which means the 1 temple econ and econ expansion was instead one of the 2 total econ costs of the library), in which case we got a free action to finish up the temple? Also, woo, the temple fixed up the wisdom drain like we hoped!
Prestige 14 -> 17
+1 for temple, +2 for salt gift
Our trading post increases our Gold, Silver, and copper trading trade from None->Minor Trading, Moderate->Significant, and Moderate->Significant, respectively.
The Highlanders are not listed as importing tin yet, but presumably thats an oversight considering they're producing bronze now.
Fake Edit: AN has clarified, Trading posts synergise with salterns:
Edit: It's been updated...to 3/3+2, which still seems wrong...i would have thought it'd be 4/4+1, since we have 2 marches, 1 colony, 1 trade post, and 4 regular slots, 1 march slot...
Also, the western wall has updated its description:
"Western Wall (Colony) - Expands to produce new provinces and find new resources, and can take be brought into wars to the north and west"
ALso:
Diplo 14 [+3] -> 7 [+4]
14 + 3 (Saltern+Trade Dominance) -5 (Salt Gift) -5 (Found Trading Post) = 7. Also, note that we have +4/turn now, thanks to the new trading post =D
Econ 6 [-1] -> 4 [-1]
6 -2 (Trading post) - 1 (True City) -1 (Temple) - 2 (Alter March to Colony) + 4 (Baby Boom) = 4
...Thank god for the baby boom i guess
Econ Expansion 5 -> 7
5 + 2 (Colony switch) + 2 (Trading Post) + 1 (City) + 1 (Temple econ expenditure) - 4 (Baby Boom) = 4
Martial 8 {10} -> 6 {8}
8 - 2 (found trading post) = 6. Though i'm pretty sure it should be 6 {7} since usually quality of its own rounds down i think?
No change in stability, alas we were right and the temple neither auto-gives stability nor counts for divine stewards
Art 12 -> 9:
12 - 1 (Temple) - 3 (Library) + 1 (Canal boost from temple)
Mysticism 13 [-1] -> 9 [-1+1]
13 - 1 (wisdom) - 3 (Library) + 1 (Canal Boost from temple)= 10...Unless all the megaproject actions were for the library (which means the 1 temple econ and econ expansion was instead one of the 2 total econ costs of the library), in which case we got a free action to finish up the temple? Also, woo, the temple fixed up the wisdom drain like we hoped!
Prestige 14 -> 17
+1 for temple, +2 for salt gift
The Hathatyn continue to be crossed out on everything but tin importation.
Our trading post increases our Gold, Silver, and copper trading trade from None->Minor Trading, Moderate->Significant, and Moderate->Significant, respectively.
The Highlanders are not listed as importing tin yet, but presumably thats an oversight considering they're producing bronze now.
Oooh, nice--judging by the +4/turn diplo income "market for an extra saltern" seems to count as an extra saltern for free, which is amazing!
Fake Edit: AN has clarified, Trading posts synergise with salterns:
Our periphery state count hasn't been updated yet, however
Edit: It's been updated...to 3/3+2, which still seems wrong...i would have thought it'd be 4/4+1, since we have 2 marches, 1 colony, 1 trade post, and 4 regular slots, 1 march slot...
Also, the western wall has updated its description:
"Western Wall (Colony) - Expands to produce new provinces and find new resources, and can take be brought into wars to the north and west"
Elders -> Priests, via the temple
Animism -> Polytheism, via the temple
Oooh, very nice, and expected
XD
I approve our our admin hero's focus this turn
Sweet, the stallions have their own iron mine =D
As expected, anti-bandit operations are necessary. Also interesting that our new march is focusing on regular warriors over elites...neither of our previous marches ever took regular expand warriors... (Like, literally ever; i did a post on what actions the marches took an update or two ago)
Damn D= I hope our new march at least grabbed a mine as well since it seems like our new southshore holdings didn't have any mines... @Academia Nut ?
I was expecting more options, but with these two, definitely want "aid for the king" over "extension of the new temple"--admin improvements ho!
Awesome! I wonder what this signifies mechanically...maybe that we rolled the rare "2 progress for 1 action"?
Oooh, interesting
That's pretty big, though i'm not sure how it compares to historical statues? Is it absurdly big for a new iron age civ? Or "just" absurdly big compared to earlier ones for us?
Sweet! I wonder which actions got altered aside from holy site improvements...
Oooh, all of these are good...tech is always nice, but prestige and pilgrimage power is also nice...though i dont really want to dominate teh pilgrimage trade, because that seems too easy toget knocked down from and trigger problems...
...Well damn D= (Fake edit: AN has revealed that this is a result of a 6, and then a 1 on two innovation rolls last turn and this turn, while we're apparently on the verge of new innovations...damn dice!)
Hmm...if "successful" for deploy force is "would have gained +1 stab or higher on normal RoO", that's pretty good odds, especially with an admin hero... @Academia Nut is that the case? And if we can know, would it be worse or better odds than a normal RoO given we have an admin hero but its also more complicated?
...Well, damn D= That's frankly about as strong a golden age expenditure as us getting iron...
...I think someone mentioned coal vein fires? (This was the "two critfails on uncritfailable actions"; rolled 1 on survey land twice in a row)
uuugh, nomads D=
I kind of want to send aid to the MW...as for policy switch, we have:
left on the library, so keeping megaproject up would be nice... grrr, hard choices D=
ALso:
Good to know...will those thoughts of revenge be solely or primarily on the Highlanders from them being rather more direct on that matter, or are we in their sights as well?
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maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Better walls are great but we have no idea what the new tech is, and the vote is not going defensive so it bloody useless having better walls if we can only start building them a generation after the enemy horde has invaded us!
- Location
- Staring into the void
We are currently listed as moderate for pilgrimage, and the tech will boost all our mega and expanded projects, as well as our defensive constructions.
- Location
- Illinois
@Academia Nut do we have the highest prestige in the region now?
People see the tech advance and think construction techniques. They see religion and think of ignorance and brainwashing.
I see the tech advance and think it advances our art. I see religion and think strengthening our ability to spread our ideals.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
I don't feel now is the best time for pilgrimage increasing option as we already have some, and with hostile nomad hero coming south.
Granted the ??? tech option might not help either.
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UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
They'll pay for them too.
- Location
- The People's Saltern
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
Proto-university. Valleyhome is a bit politically charged at the moment. I've been hoping for a Golden Age Library but it's probably not going to happen now. Too much progress and not enough time to get a Golden Age.
[X] [Temple] Let the glory of your gods be known far and wide (+1 Prestige, Pilgrimage trade power increased)
We can slowly poison the minds of the pilgrims with our (obviously superior) cultural values. As a bonus, some people might decide to stay.
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[] [Corruption] Main Enforce Justice
This is probably going to be a temporary fix even if it works.
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
The Metal Workers are now on the menu. Also prevents the nomads from getting a supply of bronze.
[X] [Policy] No change
Possibly weaken the +Centralization from Enforce Justice, but I'm also fine with staying at the same policy. Not Offense though, since we might want to make more blackbirds to deal with this corruption or for other espionage related things.
Edit: Let's just finish the megaproject and get the free policy change. RIP Golden Age Library.
Proto-university. Valleyhome is a bit politically charged at the moment. I've been hoping for a Golden Age Library but it's probably not going to happen now. Too much progress and not enough time to get a Golden Age.
[X] [Temple] Let the glory of your gods be known far and wide (+1 Prestige, Pilgrimage trade power increased)
We can slowly poison the minds of the pilgrims with our (obviously superior) cultural values. As a bonus, some people might decide to stay.
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[] [Corruption] Main Enforce Justice
This is probably going to be a temporary fix even if it works.
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
The Metal Workers are now on the menu. Also prevents the nomads from getting a supply of bronze.
[X] [Policy] No change
Edit: Let's just finish the megaproject and get the free policy change. RIP Golden Age Library.
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Well that makes me slightly more okay with pilgrimage not winning, but I really want pilgrimage to extend our cultural power as much as possible. It could be the start to diplo-annexing many of our neighbors.
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
Starts us with knowledge being a more esoteric endeavor, allows for the beefing up of our general wisdom.
[X] [Temple] Let the glory of your gods be known far and wide (+1 Prestige, Pilgrimage trade power increased)
Let's us pull in even more outsiders, convert them to our culture, and make diplo annexing of our neighbors easier.
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
Should work under an admin king.
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
Do not want them to fall to the nomads again if possible, should also start working on incorporating them.
[X] [Policy] Defense
Offense would likely have us go over our martial cap, but we can't not alter to deal with this threat.
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- Location
- nz
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defense
- Location
- Somewhere
Can someone create a pro, and con list of our Corruption options? (Someone preferably not @veekie, @veekie has a tendency to take one view, build a skyscraper of points towards that one view, while spitting on any other option.) I just want to explore our options, before OBEYING THE WILL OF VEEKIE!!! FOR VEEKIE IS WISE, INSECT!
Corruption
[] [Corruption] Deploy force
[] [Corruption] Main Enforce Justice
[] [Corruption] Burn occupational administration down (-2 Stability, switches to geographic admin within Valleyhome)
Edit: People have answered this question. It is no longer necessary to answer!
Corruption
[] [Corruption] Deploy force
[] [Corruption] Main Enforce Justice
[] [Corruption] Burn occupational administration down (-2 Stability, switches to geographic admin within Valleyhome)
Edit: People have answered this question. It is no longer necessary to answer!
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] No change
I really want to have the Temple/Library become the seed of a proper center of learning.
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] No change
I really want to have the Temple/Library become the seed of a proper center of learning.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Oh hey, they do. We really do need to integrate them, once this war bleeds off enough of our martial. They should have a decent chunk of econ now.