maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
The priests in sacred forest , the bureaucrats in rainbow , the library in red Hill, the army in stallion and the granaries are straight ahead then take the first left after jupiter.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
The priests in sacred forest , the bureaucrats in rainbow , the library in red Hill, the army in stallion and the granaries are straight ahead then take the first left after jupiter.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If you have the resources.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
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- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X][Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [CA] Xohyssiri
I find veekie's argument for occupational thoroughly unconvincing. Furthermore, I think that not rushing the megaprojects, when we absolutely need a megaproject rush right now, is a bad idea as well. If it doesn't look like that will gain traction I'll likely swap to Expand Forest, since I don't think doubling up on Enforce Justice is a great idea; it doesn't gain us much relatively speaking.
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
[X] [CA] Xohyssiri
I find veekie's argument for occupational thoroughly unconvincing. Furthermore, I think that not rushing the megaprojects, when we absolutely need a megaproject rush right now, is a bad idea as well. If it doesn't look like that will gain traction I'll likely swap to Expand Forest, since I don't think doubling up on Enforce Justice is a great idea; it doesn't gain us much relatively speaking.
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keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X][Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Expand Forest
[X][CA] Xohyssiri
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Expand Forest
[X][CA] Xohyssiri
- Location
- United States
Can I interest you in swapping 1 [Secondary] EJ for an Expand Forest? It's unnecessary to do a main EJ, as the extra stability isn't a guarantee. It put us at our centralization limit (or over it), which will prevent us from building trails later.
The TS haven't really gone through a healthy change really...they've been put into a really oppressive environment. I doubt that'll do any good for trait development.
The DP however have gone through a massive social change which put a huge focus on trading (and possibly also golden age maintenance). It's very likely that they got a hold of a few really nice traits during that time.
Even if we get GG again, so what? It's an incredibly powerful trait. Not just because of GS (though that's nice to have), but because of the stability hit negation. Our civ is built around taking stability hit like crazy because of CA...and us personally going for extreme social changes constantly means even more stability hits.
GS is just practical to have with us holding the reins of this civ...having car insurance is definitely worth it when we crash (again...and again).
- Location
- United States
I'm confused...why do we need to rush through our mega projects all of a sudden?
- Location
- New Zealand
Done! I was already thinking about it when I saw your original vote, and you've just convinced me.
[X] [Clan] Roll back, institute occupational administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[x] [Main] Great Temple
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Expand Forest
[X] [CA] Thunder Speakers
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Cus we be rush builders!
- Location
- Huezil
After thinking this thorougly i think geographic admnistration is better, first because of the walling that has happened in our city and secondl because of our traits.
See? The moment the nepotism becomes noticiable and is seem as a problem, the black birds will probably make a visit to the person in question or call the High-Chief. Anyone that says "i'm chief because my father was chief" will be attacked by Love of Wisdow. Any nepotistic admnistrator that works poorly, will be attacked by symphony and greater justice.... so voting.
[X][Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Expand Forest
[X] [CA] Xohyssiri
See? The moment the nepotism becomes noticiable and is seem as a problem, the black birds will probably make a visit to the person in question or call the High-Chief. Anyone that says "i'm chief because my father was chief" will be attacked by Love of Wisdow. Any nepotistic admnistrator that works poorly, will be attacked by symphony and greater justice.... so voting.
[X][Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Expand Forest
[X] [CA] Xohyssiri
I'm going to argue for geographical as the least worst option here. Guilds are a vile, cancerous force. A parasitic subgovernment that plays 'Guild-May-I with everything they get their kudzu entangled in.
The thing about geographical is that it will make it obvious that the system has flaws to address. That means more kingly frustration and attempts to unstupid things. I expect several things to come out of this mess. A brief list of possibilities:
-Blatant favoritism and power consolidation leads to checks and balances being implemented to ride herd on the corruption.
-Working out the snarls in this system will allow The People to get actual options that involve decentralization actions. Wouldn't it be great?
-Actual police forces in large population centers that can investigate and go after people when they commit crimes. Internal spy options.
-Decentralization options so The People can actually build trails.
-Checks and balances like a central government based judiciary existing.
[X] [Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
The thing about geographical is that it will make it obvious that the system has flaws to address. That means more kingly frustration and attempts to unstupid things. I expect several things to come out of this mess. A brief list of possibilities:
-Blatant favoritism and power consolidation leads to checks and balances being implemented to ride herd on the corruption.
-Working out the snarls in this system will allow The People to get actual options that involve decentralization actions. Wouldn't it be great?
-Actual police forces in large population centers that can investigate and go after people when they commit crimes. Internal spy options.
-Decentralization options so The People can actually build trails.
-Checks and balances like a central government based judiciary existing.
[X] [Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
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- Location
- Staring into the void
Tallying
@Academia Nut
Do we have any idea of what sort of traits we can get from the various options? If you want specific questions
1) How have the Metal Workers changed recently such that we can take their traits?
2) Has the HK changed such that "Order Above All" is no longer our sole compatible non-shared trait?
3) Has there been any noticeable change in the Xohyssiri such that "Greater Good" is no longer our sole compatible trait?
Do we have any idea of what sort of traits we can get from the various options? If you want specific questions
1) How have the Metal Workers changed recently such that we can take their traits?
2) Has the HK changed such that "Order Above All" is no longer our sole compatible non-shared trait?
3) Has there been any noticeable change in the Xohyssiri such that "Greater Good" is no longer our sole compatible trait?
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Still catching up on the backlog of posts but I thought I'd mentioned that I'm just going to stick with voting for Clans.
According to AN the other two might be superior but they have their own real, serious drawbacks and we've already started working out the kinks in the clan adoption system. I see no problem sticking with that for another few hundred years.
According to AN the other two might be superior but they have their own real, serious drawbacks and we've already started working out the kinks in the clan adoption system. I see no problem sticking with that for another few hundred years.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
I want to do this next turn.
I'm opposed to solidifying a hereditary nobility but you do you.
Are you veekiewagoning or have you actually thought about this decision?
I'd note the following:
a) Guilds use the exact same system as our current nepotistic leadership and thus will be as corrupt.
b) Guilds are notorious for trying to maintain a monopoly, which includes withholding technological advancements so they can maintain superiority.
c) In general it just adds a new dimension of corruption to our society without trying to fix the current one, unlike geographic which, through making nepotism more blatant, actually works toward.
d) Note that this is an issue of interpersonal community support, since family ties have become problematic. An occupational system is less likely to provide "communal" support than an actual community, and is less extensible to other settlements where there are less people of diverse skillsets who can support each other. I.e., if there's a single miller in a town who can he go to for help?
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- Location
- The People's Saltern
Locking ourselves into two mega-projects can't possibly go wrong.
Besides the bonuses we get from a completed mega-project, there's also an opportunity cost of our Main action slot for every turn we leave the mega-project incomplete. We also really need to get started on the Library before we start losing knowledge.
[X] [Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[X] [CA] Xohyssiri
[X] [Main] Great Temple
[X] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X] [Secondary] Change Policy - Megaproject Support
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
And you're trying to argue these aren't the same aside from visibility?
- Location
- New Zealand
Guys I just realized, and I double checked the threadmarks to make sure.
The last trait we grabbed from another civ was when we still had LOO. This is our first trait grab with CA, so there's a possibility that the traits we can pick up aren't limited by compatibility anymore, which is probably why no compatibility limits are mentioned in the vote options.
The last trait we grabbed from another civ was when we still had LOO. This is our first trait grab with CA, so there's a possibility that the traits we can pick up aren't limited by compatibility anymore, which is probably why no compatibility limits are mentioned in the vote options.
- Location
- The underworld
[X] [Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)