Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Hmm, Progress policy seems like a bit of a waste. Probably just to feed Mystic to us, other than a Main Health?
Really really tempted for Balanced. Prepares us for any unexpected things like war, they can help cover that.
ABalloonyChaos
Drifts wherever the wind may take me.
- Location
- USA, up in the air.
How does more Marches improve expedition logistics? Do not even know how to get lots men to The Metal workers territory to hit them? Is one march not enough to help with that? I was under the impression they are mainly a patrol buffer between an angle of attack.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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...I was under the impression that it was overflowing into, you know, "establish a March as a midturn action instead of having to take a Main action to do it"
...Admittedly, i'm not sure why we don't have the choice to do the Northeast march as well with this, but... *shrug*
PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
I was kind of hoping it would overflow into Prestige, but I guess not.
Bandwagon.
PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
We have 2 vassal slots. 1 is taken by the Stallion Tribes already.
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You've never been here before so you don't know, but an increase in border incidents or internal problems seems possible.
The attacks have to be launched from the March since that's the only place you can station warriors that would have a short enough logistical tail to do so. You could also make a colony, but they wouldn't focus on that and would start with low Martial, making them a juicy target to attack.
We need an iron mine before the 3rd turn is complete. Surveys are not guaranteed to find what we need. After finding a site, it takes a turn to build the settlement and another turn to build the mine.
As such it makes a lot of sense to take the Survey immediately, so that if it fails we aren't completely screwed.
Hm...
That means that we can't use the provinces to do Study Metal/Tailings at all. That hurts.
That makes me think that Policy:Balanced is by far our best option, since they'll be able to deal with any outside problems, boost our economy, and establish the settlement.
Turn 1:
[Main] Study <Metal/Tailings>
[Secondary] Change Policy - Balanced
[Secondary] New Settlement - <Iron location>
Provinces:
[Main] Study Health
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] Study Stars
Turn 2:
[Main] Build Mine
[Main] Study <Metal/Tailings>
Provinces:
[Main] Restore Order
[Main] Expand Economy (The Law)
[Secondary] Study Stars
This would actually complete all the requirements by the second turn, though it's rather unlikely that everything will work out this perfectly. Still, Policy - Balanced shows its worth here.
@Academia Nut
If a [Secondary] New Settlement is created at an iron site, can it still be used to establish a mine the turn after?
(Despite the fact that at turn start it still wouldn't have paid out its econ)
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- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Actually @Academia Nut is the reason we can't set up a northeast March right now because it doesn't fit narratively?
The GM told us that of all our base stats one is unequivocally bad to have over max. I wonder which it could be?
- Location
- Canada
[X] [March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Survey Lands (-1 Econ, improved odds of success)
To free up Province to do other stuff.
[X] [March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
- Location
- Germany
I was under the impression that our king took over because it wasn't overflowing into anything else & needed to be adressed before it would start causing problems
So basically AN throwing us a bone and not something we should expect from overflowing matrial
- Location
- Austria
@veekie , I beseech thee, come hither and talk some sense into the bandwagon! You are our only hope, it seems. 
Ehh. AN's reply was to whether they would take Study and Survey on Progress; and while I assume they would do a Survey or two on Balanced, it is unlikely they will go for Study Health.
Ehh. AN's reply was to whether they would take Study and Survey on Progress; and while I assume they would do a Survey or two on Balanced, it is unlikely they will go for Study Health.
You do realize that turns take like 20+ years? Leaving them alone means like 10 years of sitting on their thumbs and even guard duty isn't easy to get. There are no in range nomads. You'll have lots of bored, trained but unused, relative youths with what they think are literal god tier weapons... they will find something to do. They'll attack something or each other or form idiotic political movements giving them something to do. This isn't trap option... its playing chicken with the dice. Forming a March that gets us in range of those nomads is the best option for them. Followed by invading SW, attacking the TS lands (who I think got militarily annexed), invading HK/going merc for HK, internal stupidity.
Large numbers of really, bored, heavily armed men are the bane of stability. I don't think booze has been invented yet so they can't just get drunk and break things. This is a social recipe for cunning plans that even Blackadder's idiot minion would question.
- Location
- Australia
Is our black soil enough to make that latter requirement achievable?
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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I know, i meant why we didn't have "yes, establish northwest march", "the northwest is safe enough, establish northeast march", or "dont establish either" as choices
Ahh, alas. Does it overflowing have anythign to do with why we got teh establish march chance, or would that have been available this turn even if we had, say, 9 or 10 martial?
Do you have the quote? I remember one about how centralization and hierarchy are bad to redline, but not that quote.
- Location
- Illinois
[X] [March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
Our people want to kill nomads, not prepare for an attack 5 generations from now, that's why.
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- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
@Academia Nut
You didn't answer my earlier question: how does event chain or challenging beliefs work exactly?
Edit:
Just realized that the Survey Lands isn't part of the Challenge. I'll go with this:
[X] [March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
You didn't answer my earlier question: how does event chain or challenging beliefs work exactly?
Edit:
Just realized that the Survey Lands isn't part of the Challenge. I'll go with this:
[X] [March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
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- Location
- Australia
Reread the last turn. It shows you exactly how both those things work.
@veekie , I beseech thee, come hither and talk some sense into the bandwagon! You are our only hope, it seems.
Ehh. AN's reply was to whether they would take Study and Survey on Progress; and while I assume they would do a Survey or two on Balanced, it is unlikely they will go for Study Health.
Balanced does whatever needs to be done tho.
Even if they don't Study Health, they can enable us to focus on doing it ourself, by solving Stab issues, or whatever crops up in the interim.
ABalloonyChaos
Drifts wherever the wind may take me.
- Location
- USA, up in the air.
OH! OK this is a different march I took a second look and I might have skimmed this small part to discussing because this thread moves ridiculously fast, sorry. I just assume it was the northeastern plan.
[X] [March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)
Changing vote.
[X] [March] Yes, send out the warriors (-5 Martial, -2 Econ)
[X] [Caravan] Attempt peaceful contact
[X] [Challenge] Study Tailings (-1 Econ, -2 Mysticism, -1 Stability, improved chance of new insights)