Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- United States
I changed it to weapons just before you posted.
From the update I am not sure they will participate, or at least how many of them will.
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- Austria
Ahh. So if we do not go for Iron Tools and nomads raid their farms, they may well start starving too. Great.
Nope, totally voting for tools.
- Location
- Germany
Which is something that we are going to need as we will be fighting the nomads here on the stepp and not near our towns / forests.
- Location
- Canada
Ah okay sorry about that then it just blows my mind seeing people vote tools then go straight for offensive it makes me wonder what sort of mental gymnastics are they doing to arrive at that kind of logic.
We definitely should restore order. A 7% chance of death in exchange for a significantly improved stability is huge. And that ~7% is plausibly even lower thanks to our crit fail reduction trait.
Or we could go with the new King and end up with positive stability 77% of the time. That's pretty freaking nice too.
Or we could 90% just stay at -2 stability and not take the massive bonus being offered to us.
Or we could go with the new King and end up with positive stability 77% of the time. That's pretty freaking nice too.
Or we could 90% just stay at -2 stability and not take the massive bonus being offered to us.
Yeah? And then a bunch of them die from the war and we end up about where we want to be in terms of martial.
Do you keep track of that in a spreadsheet somewhere?
- Location
- Austria
Wut? What the heck gave you this idea? Killing nomads is what the Stallions do.
- Location
- United States
Well, my original logic was that we're on the brink of starvation and need the econ. But on second thought, weapons provide enough econ to manage and will satisfy the people more. But the bulk of militarizing our society can't occur during the war, it takes too much time.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
It doesn't do the thing I left out.
It also is likely to shift our people toward a militaristic stance, though I suppose that within this context such a choice is justified and as a result the shift may be buffered.
Ultimately, the question is this: Do we want to revenge or to rebuild?
I choose the latter.
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They also need some army to actually protect the borders.
Will they fully strip the border risking that a small force of nomads double back and can ravage the People completely at will?
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Am not saying we should be amoral. Merely recognise that the past is not bound by our morality. to judge it from modern perspectives is folly.
And this quest is currently at the copper age: Where razing a village after raping the women and enslaving-torturing the men to death is just a bit of good sport.
As for normal =/= good
It's also normal =/= bad
Normalcy is a state of acceptance or nonchalance. If a thing is normal then at the very worst society views it as morally neutral.
As for volunteering, sure if I was born in the copper age I'd love to go Raiding and pillaging, I'd leave the getting pillaged part to the agrarians thought. And if it does happen to me, well, water is wet and raids are constant.
Your choice, of course, but I doubt letting that be is the right choice.
- Location
- Europe
[X] Weapons (+2 Econ, +8 Martial, ???)
[x] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
I'm too annoyed to participate in this discussion constructively, especially since it appears the vote isn't going to go the way I want it to. It's always two steps forward, one step back in this quest. Oh well, the dice gods giveth and the dice gods taketh away.
[x] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
I'm too annoyed to participate in this discussion constructively, especially since it appears the vote isn't going to go the way I want it to. It's always two steps forward, one step back in this quest. Oh well, the dice gods giveth and the dice gods taketh away.
I really, really want iron horseshoes and iron rimmed wheels (if not iron-spoked)
Iron axes also make a good Econ/Martial double item
Iron hammers helps with smithing, while still being a decent weapon.
We don't have swords yet. Knifes are tools also.
Honestly, I think, the only weapons tech we have, that we can't be used as tools are maces/demon club, iron arrows.
Iron axes also make a good Econ/Martial double item
Iron hammers helps with smithing, while still being a decent weapon.
We don't have swords yet. Knifes are tools also.
Honestly, I think, the only weapons tech we have, that we can't be used as tools are maces/demon club, iron arrows.
- Location
- Austria
[X] Weapons (+2 Econ, +8 Martial, ???)
[x] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
I mean....this, on the other hand, will much better assuage worries of the populace, and we can fix the cultural problems of militarism later.
[x] Leave things be
[X] Offensive (+1 Stability)
[X] No (-1 Stability, +1 Legitimacy)
I mean....this, on the other hand, will much better assuage worries of the populace, and we can fix the cultural problems of militarism later.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
*shrug* The only way we'll make a difference is if we kill both of their heroes.
Being that they are heroes, I find it likely that one will fight and one will successfully flee, rebuild an army, and come back to get his revenge upon our nation for killing their family.
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Any vote for weapons should be a vote for a militaristic leader.
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The People already don't rape women, or at least that what is implied by not taking women as wives.
People aren't going to farm with iron weapons... that you would suggest so it silly. They are going to farm with iron tools. The current weapons also work just fine for killing nomads. So that is a nonstarter as a rational argument.
How the hell would anyone feel safe if the military wanders off, particularly if they are just going to get killed? The stability for offensive is all about the populous seeing that the government doing something about a crisis. The populous obviously feels that defensive is ignoring the loses and then pouting. Too little, too late. They are suffering from a bad case of Protective Justice here.
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- Germany
Then why are you voteing to go after them and not stay at home ?
You are at the moment for sending our guys after them, without giveing them the gear they almost certainly need to win that fight.
If we send our army after them and lose the nomads win, as we will be unable to build an army fast enough to counter our loses and they will just loot us completly.
I actually even doubt we will get militarism problems.
This is the People punishing nomads who managed to push nearly every one of our "rage" buttons.
Were we to change a king over this, than I would be worried, but we do not.
After the losses and, hopefully, our people returned, with symphony, nobility in humility and Lord's Loyalty I actually expect less problems between military and civilians than ever before.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
I'm listening to the other people who say that we likely have more martial than them and changing to a martial leader.
I guess that I could vote for defensive, however... The -1 would be buffered by the +1 of yes, do a PG afterward along with a Main Expand Forest targeted at the ST.... yeah, that would work.
[X] Tools (+8 Econ, +2 Martial, ???)
[X] Leave things be
[X] Defensive (-1 Stability)
[X] Yes (+1 Stability, -1 Legitimacy, Martial focused character becomes king)