GiftOfLove
From the Heart
What an eye searing color choice. Ow.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
A few thousand pages late to complain now, isn't it? >_>
BTW... Mmm... I wanted to pick up the stuff Kirika asked us to buy while we were here at Sendai, but we've got Nadia tagging along, so that probably would take too long. Oh well. Mental note to tell Nadia about our Speckled Enchantments and to advice us on what sort of Enchantments to make for ourselves.
Also, if she's got any stories she wants to share about her travels, we're all ears, right?
If we don't have tima now, it can be a
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So I had a few ideas with regards to artifical grief seeds, and I'd rather type them out in illustrator than on my phone:
GiftOfLove
From the Heart
It's never too late to fix a mistake!
Unless it's already killed you, of course.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
We did not. We tried to simulate an enchantment with griefbending, and the text specifically suggests that it failed because we used grief instead of real enchantment.
Meanwhile, Sayaka, who knew nothing of enchantment before today, has made so many of them that she's having trouble keeping track of them all. That's a pretty big hint that we should have been trying real enchantment instead of faking it with grief.
rkyeun
Cabbitus Maximus
- Location
- ◕ ‿‿ ◕
[X] Offer a Clear Seed (conditions and warnings will be automatic)
[X] Ask to allow Sayaka to copy powers
[X] Find Kyubey again. "By the way, Kyubey. Regarding our mutual interest, is there a way - one of your spare bodies perhaps - for you to give me one of those portals on your back for personal use that I can keep in my bag, so you don't have to keep mindwiping people between our visits? That seems more efficient for both of us."
[X] Ask to allow Sayaka to copy powers
- [X] Write-in what to do
[X] Find Kyubey again. "By the way, Kyubey. Regarding our mutual interest, is there a way - one of your spare bodies perhaps - for you to give me one of those portals on your back for personal use that I can keep in my bag, so you don't have to keep mindwiping people between our visits? That seems more efficient for both of us."
[X] Onmur
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I thought about this, and figured it would be insane for Kyuubey to do it; Kyuubey is our only option to get rid of Grief, and KB's modus operandi is basically hanging around meguca and talking shit, so by giving us an alternative to meeting him now and then, it would only be hurting himself.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Because there's nothing morbid or weird about keeping a dead animal in your purse.
Even if I thought the benefits of having a Kyubey body with us at all times could ever outweigh the risks, now is hardly an opportune time to have that conversation.
I could see him agreeing to it if it gave him an opportunity to sneak one of his bodies into our privacy field to spy on us. As the saying goes, "Beware of Incubators bearing gifts."
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Pretty sure that would be giving us an active portal to whatever location Grief Seeds are...processed...at...
Guys. We be to get a camera over there, then look into infiltration options. He almost certainly wouldn't just give us free access to a portal, but if we could slip an enchanment-based tracker into the bed Grief shipment...we could determine the location, then arrange for teleportation.
Also, we need to talk to Yukari-guca. If she has boundary manipulation, she might be able to remove or bypass whatever obstacle is stopping us from scanning Gems and Seeds.
Gonna have to make sure that tracker has a range greater than 1 AU...
- Location
- Somewhere
Except if we somehow keep that portal open, then planetary range should suffice...
For as long as they actually process it centrally... and not everywhere in the universe locally...saving massive amounts of transportation costs even with portals (those must eat energy like WHOA)...
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
In other words, instead of letting him slip a Trojan Bunny-Cat onto us, we slip a Trojan Grief Marble through him.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Trying to slip one past KB, something that will 99,99% fail and in a way that seems awfully dangerous?
This looks like a job for... ChibiBrina!
ChibiBrina Mk.2 cries the loudest.
This looks like a job for... ChibiBrina!
R.I.P. ChibiBrina
2011-2011
Sayaka complains as Sabrina forces everyone to attend ChibiBrina's funeral, despite ChibiBrina being an inanimate object.
2011-2011
ChibiBrina Mk.2 cries the loudest.
- Location
- Somewhere
Sudden realization.
Wraith Arc.
Wraiths.
Like. Does the Universe have magic on its own?
And if so... how does that interact with the whole Grief/Hope duality?
How is that supposed to work
How can it do that???
What does that signify?????
Is the universe free from its own rules "Screw the rules, I make them" and all that???
...Anyone got an explaination, as that is legitimately capital W Weird.
Wraith Arc.
Wraiths.
HOW DO THOSE WORK?!?!?!?!??!?!
Like. Does the Universe have magic on its own?
And if so... how does that interact with the whole Grief/Hope duality?
How is that supposed to work
How can it do that???
What does that signify?????
Is the universe free from its own rules "Screw the rules, I make them" and all that???
...Anyone got an explaination, as that is legitimately capital W Weird.
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
- Location
- Twin Realms Mandala
Can we trigger the wraiths to appear, without them sticking around afterwards?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Wraiths are a counter effect to Madoka's universal rewrite, so... I doubt it.
Maybe we don't need wraith, though. Grief Cubes are, IIRC, emotions processed through a Wraith's body in order to render them harmless, incapable of doing universal rewrites the universe feared so much after Madoka's Wish.
While I do not think we're gonna go around stealing people's emotions in order to create meguca cleansing agents, the mere existance of Grief Cubes show that there is more than one 'natural' way to cleanse Soul Gems... even though the more efficient ones, Grief Seeds, seem to require more... concentrated suffering.
But, since Wraiths created Grief Cubes by sucking all the emotions out of whatever people they could readh, would it be possible to make Grief Cubes by leeching a tiny bit of emotional energy out of every single human in the Earth, without rendering them emotionless husks?
Maybe we can go the Monster Inc. route.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Pretty sure the best possible infiltration team would be SabriMamiHomuSayaYuka. with a Jyubey to assist.Trying to slip one past KB, something that will 99,99% fail and in a way that seems awfully dangerous?
This looks like a job for... ChibiBrina!
R.I.P. ChibiBrinaSayaka complains as Sabrina forces everyone to attend ChibiBrina's funeral, despite ChibiBrina being an inanimate object.
2011-2011
ChibiBrina Mk.2 cries the loudest.
Grief Hax + Enchant Hax + Time Stop + The Multitool + Boundary Hax = Pure Bullshit
We'd at least get access to SOME of their resources, regardless.
Portal costs...might not be that bad, really. We don't know what principle they're based on.
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
If we want to slip a tracker through, then we'll have to develop the enchantment entirely within a privacy field and then encase it in a Grief marble so that Kyubey never knows that it exists.
We may also need to look into options for FTL travel or teleportation beforehand, so we have options to launch a strike as soon as we get a location, in case the portal closes.
We may also need to look into options for FTL travel or teleportation beforehand, so we have options to launch a strike as soon as we get a location, in case the portal closes.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Obviously moon dust.
KB will obviously notice after the fact at least, so only one shot at it.
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
- Location
- Twin Realms Mandala
Kyuubey appears to be of the order of alien that harnesses suns worth of energy.
Launching a strike may not be sound strategy, as we may know of the grief processing center as 'Jupiter'!
Launching a strike may not be sound strategy, as we may know of the grief processing center as 'Jupiter'!
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Right, I'm saying that we'd have to keep him from knowing that it's coming. Once it's through, I have to assume that grief will change to gas and expose the tracker. Hopefully it'll gather enough data to be useful before they destroy it.
I'd be really hesitant on attempting to plan a raid on what's at least a Kardashev type III, likely a type IV bucking for type V civilization. The Incubators could call themselves gods and I wouldn't be sure they're wrong: if @Firnagzen's idle chat about them manipulating the Boltzmann constant as part of their entropy-fighting campaign is right then by necessity they've been doing it for as long as carbon-based life has existed, which means roughly 3.9 billion years.
Perhaps the only thing worse than failure, and inevitable Incubator retaliation that kills everyone Sabrina is even casually associated with, would be success: even a single blip in the Boltzmann Constant, for even a few milliseconds, would be enough to instantly destroy all carbon-based life on Earth, and anywhere else in the cosmos, as changes in activation energies cause every protein in the universe to denature simultaneously.
I... I just don't think you guys have thought this plan through.
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