Paths of Civilization
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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Are our horses even large enough yet
Ugh, tactical voting time I guess
[X] [Main] Expand Forests
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim glory
We don't need the Glory right now, but it's better than the support which is basically just a wasted action when we can just provide direct support anyway.
[X] [Main] Expand Forests
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim glory
We don't need the Glory right now, but it's better than the support which is basically just a wasted action when we can just provide direct support anyway.
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@Academia Nut what does our war adviser recommend we do to prepare for a possible nomad resurgence?
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Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 1427 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.0
Task: Main
[26][Main] Expand Forests
[4][Main] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliff
[2][main] Expand Forests - Stallion Tribes
[2][Main] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[1][Main] Integrate March
[1][Main] Proclaim Glory
[1][Main] More Carrion Eaters
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[24][secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[18][Secondary] Support Subordinate - Stallion Tribes
[13][Secondary] Proclaim glory
[5][Secondary] Survey Lands
[5][Secondary] Study Forests
[3][Secondary] Study Metal
[1][Secondary] New Settlement-Bleeding Cliff
[1][Secondary] Study Tailings
[1][Secondary] Expand Warriors
[1][Secondary] Policy change-Expansion
[1][Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliff x2
[1][Secondary] Art Patronage
Total No. of Voters: 37
Umm...
Those of you voting for Support do realize that it only gives them one martial and one econ?
##### NetTally 1.9.0
Task: Main
[26][Main] Expand Forests
[4][Main] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliff
[2][main] Expand Forests - Stallion Tribes
[2][Main] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[1][Main] Integrate March
[1][Main] Proclaim Glory
[1][Main] More Carrion Eaters
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Secondary
[24][secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[18][Secondary] Support Subordinate - Stallion Tribes
[13][Secondary] Proclaim glory
[5][Secondary] Survey Lands
[5][Secondary] Study Forests
[3][Secondary] Study Metal
[1][Secondary] New Settlement-Bleeding Cliff
[1][Secondary] Study Tailings
[1][Secondary] Expand Warriors
[1][Secondary] Policy change-Expansion
[1][Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliff x2
[1][Secondary] Art Patronage
Total No. of Voters: 37
Umm...
Those of you voting for Support do realize that it only gives them one martial and one econ?
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Almost certainly not, although considering we have a tradition of selective breeding cows, and an emphasis on quality and chariots- we've probably got some of the more impressive horse specimens.
[x][Main] Expand Forests
[x][secondary] Proclaim Glory
[x][secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
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- Actually pretty lost
[X] [Main] Expand Forests - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] Support Subordinate - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
I want that legitimacy - low stability is one thing, but legitimacy protects us from some really nasty stuff. Also, if we luck into Stab boosts we don't want to be capped early.
[X] [Secondary] Support Subordinate - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
I want that legitimacy - low stability is one thing, but legitimacy protects us from some really nasty stuff. Also, if we luck into Stab boosts we don't want to be capped early.
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Really, Support Subordinate seems useful in three ways. Rapidly recovering a damaged vassal, furthering the growth of a subordinate we established- colonies/trade post/marches really, and basically giving us an excuse to station citizens and domestic soldiers in our vassals to encourage cultural assimilation.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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@Academia Nut will the stallion tribes be able to use the support the same turn we send it?
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- Actually pretty lost
Not only is that still pretty good - they're supposed to be our Martial wall against the Nomads anyway - but with their current stats so low, I'm pretty sure not taking Support will trigger our new Honour value's Con:
Side-note: It's now an Honour Code instead of an Honour value. Any significance to that?
Diplomacy 14 (max, overflowing) [+1 Art]
Still overflowing.
Economy 7->4
Just the expense paid
Martial 8->6
Lost three to expenses. Gained 1 from successful war mission?
March Econ 3
March Martial 1
This actually synergizes powerfully with Symphony and Elitism.
Protective Justice: "We must protect those who protect us. This is Justice!"
Honorable Death: "Death holds no fear when it is in service to the People!"
Divine Stewards: "This land is OURS bitches!"
Symphony: "UNITED WE STAND!"
The Greater Good: "FOR THE GREATER GOOD!"
*The Ymaryn have entered a Fey Mood!*
Because that looks like we converted the whole turn into War Missions. Committed every last point of Martial, and then committed the Econ too.
More seriously, remember, they have Ancestral Honor or something like it. Family lineages matter.
We killed an entire tribe where they could see.
Might have triggered a Stability hit their Boss needs to rally them for.
Colony presumably would be used to claim resource rich zones. Probably will send Economy home? Or just minerals and region locked plants?
Marches for the obvious defensive qualities.
Trading Posts will be basically an Embassy I think. Performs Salt Gift and Tech Steal for us.
-Sulfuric acid
-Iron Pyrite(yes, even if there's no iron in the copper ore, the sulfur will leach it out of the ground)
Which is to say, yes, we can reprocess our mine tailings to produce even MORE metal.
March Econ 3
March Martial 1
Yes, we can support them with War Missions. But they need to be able to endure the initial impact, or they'd straight out be overrun before they can tell us that they're being attacked. They can restore 4 points of Martial this turn, but Admin roll determines if it's soon enough to help them.
At least give them the 2 Martial they need to handle a Main War Mission while they rebuild.
Incidentally, after the last turn, I suspect we might unlock a Great Wall with Iron Mine.
Because fuck the Nomads.
And my vote:
[X][Main] Expand Forests
[X][Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[X][Secondary] Support Subordinate
Main thing is to send the Stallion Tribes something to tide them over. They need to be able to tank at least long enough for our dudes to go over there.
Still overflowing.
Economy 7->4
Just the expense paid
Martial 8->6
Lost three to expenses. Gained 1 from successful war mission?
March Econ 3
March Martial 1
Ooo, actually with this I think we might actually be better served with keeping the March independent since we have assurance of loyalty and it lets us double up war missions for them without switching Policy to Offense.
This actually synergizes powerfully with Symphony and Elitism.
We have a grudge, written in stone. It is the Law now, "Fucking up Nomads is always Harmonious"
Protective Justice: "We must protect those who protect us. This is Justice!"
Honorable Death: "Death holds no fear when it is in service to the People!"
Divine Stewards: "This land is OURS bitches!"
Symphony: "UNITED WE STAND!"
The Greater Good: "FOR THE GREATER GOOD!"
*The Ymaryn have entered a Fey Mood!*
...Did we just change the whole turn to War Missions?
Because that looks like we converted the whole turn into War Missions. Committed every last point of Martial, and then committed the Econ too.
Man, they ticked our dudes off enough that we just plain exterminated every adult male in the tribe hit.
Nomads: "Those guys are goddamned psychos. We'll be back, we need to get a bigger Waagh!"
More seriously, remember, they have Ancestral Honor or something like it. Family lineages matter.
We killed an entire tribe where they could see.
Might have triggered a Stability hit their Boss needs to rally them for.
12 uses left. We spent 4 on Provincial Expands last turn.
And now we can intentionally start a Periphery State.
Colony presumably would be used to claim resource rich zones. Probably will send Economy home? Or just minerals and region locked plants?
Marches for the obvious defensive qualities.
Trading Posts will be basically an Embassy I think. Performs Salt Gift and Tech Steal for us.
Not good I think. We've just had proof. If we integrate them we can't hold them.
Once we have an iron mine, Maining this would start work towards a Steel. Not that hard compared to the leap to iron.
What Copper Tailings contain:
-Sulfuric acid
-Iron Pyrite(yes, even if there's no iron in the copper ore, the sulfur will leach it out of the ground)
Which is to say, yes, we can reprocess our mine tailings to produce even MORE metal.
We kind of need it right now, look at their stats:
March Econ 3
March Martial 1
Yes, we can support them with War Missions. But they need to be able to endure the initial impact, or they'd straight out be overrun before they can tell us that they're being attacked. They can restore 4 points of Martial this turn, but Admin roll determines if it's soon enough to help them.
At least give them the 2 Martial they need to handle a Main War Mission while they rebuild.
Incidentally, after the last turn, I suspect we might unlock a Great Wall with Iron Mine.
Because fuck the Nomads.
And my vote:
[X][Main] Expand Forests
[X][Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[X][Secondary] Support Subordinate
Main thing is to send the Stallion Tribes something to tide them over. They need to be able to tank at least long enough for our dudes to go over there.
Formalized in word and law I think? Value is informal and more mutable.
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Thing is Admin roll is deteremined if Support is soon enough to help them too
So it might not even do anything
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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I just like that we now have 3, 3, and 3 in all of the Trait categories.
I don't think anyone else does. Heh.
They'll almost certainly grab a [Main] Build Chariots which will bring their Martial up to 5. Probably pair that with 2x Expand Economy, and we're boosting their economy via the forests anyway.
It's always been Code. Not sure why, but that's how it's been ever since we got Humility.
Also, we are assisting via direct military aid. We're just not feeding them and sending them permanent residents.
Unless it turns out the stats get multiplied during the transfer (due to different hidden multipliers) The "Support Subordinates" action is inherently wasteful- it costs 1 action for no real benefit- no tech, sum stats between the two doesn't change, we don't get any diplomacy. They've got enough econ to boost themselves to Martial 5, that's enough to withstand a raid until we can provide additional support via War Missions.
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- Actually pretty lost
It's nice to round them out, but in this case I'd just prefer Bigger Numbers over balance.
[X] [Main] Expand Forests - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] Study Forests
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
[X] [Secondary] Study Forests
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
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[X] [Main] Expand Forests
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim glory
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
I would actually like study forest more than proclaim glory, but with the vote numbers right now I would rather proclaim glory more than support subordinate. Unless of course there is some sort of hidden multiplier or something.
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim glory
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
I would actually like study forest more than proclaim glory, but with the vote numbers right now I would rather proclaim glory more than support subordinate. Unless of course there is some sort of hidden multiplier or something.