Paths of Civilization

pblur · May 15, 2017

DocMatoi said:
And Hylas' point which was being addressed originally was 'we don't need to survey before we forest, because trees won't cover anything'

Right. So what's actually relevant is whether the trees will cover up deposits that aren't already covered. After all, 99% of all the deposits ARE covered by dirt (also, note what AN said might expose more: erosion.)

@Academia Nut will Expand Forest potentially cover/reveal ore deposits for a later survey?

kilopi505 · May 15, 2017

A question @Academia Nut.

Inside the quest, how many years have already passed ever since "Beginnings" and ending with the latest update "Conflicts of an age"?

Kiba · May 15, 2017

What concessions are we hoping to get out of the Thunder Speakers?

Chrestomanci · May 15, 2017

[X][Honour] Loyalty
[X][Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers

Academia Nut said:
Sure, Loyalty is what binds large groups together and keeps them fighting even when everything is going to hell.

Academia Nut · May 15, 2017

pblur said:
will Expand Forest potentially cover/reveal ore deposits for a later survey?

It is possible that forest cover might hide away ore deposits, yes.

kilopi505 said:
Inside the quest, how many years have already passed ever since "Beginnings" and ending with the latest update "Conflicts of an age"?

Since the first post and the current post is a few thousand years, but the main turn ones have been perhaps 1400-1600 years.

Kiba · May 15, 2017

kilopi505 said:
A question @Academia Nut.

Inside the quest, how many years have already passed ever since "Beginnings" and ending with the latest update "Conflicts of an age"?

Academia Nut said:
Since the first post its been two or three thousand, but since main turns its been... 1200 to 1400 years I think? Ish?

The archaeologists and historians would be hard pressed to date our civilization that old.

kilopi505 · May 15, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Since the first post and the current post is a few thousand years, but the main turn ones have been perhaps 1400-1600 years.

Main turn what?

What distinguishes a main turn one from the other posts?

DocMatoi · May 15, 2017

kilopi505 said:
Main turn what?

What distinguishes a main turn one from the other posts?

As opposed to the chargen turns which were like 100years long as opposed to our current 20 or so

Academia Nut · May 15, 2017

kilopi505 said:
Main turn what?

What distinguishes a main turn one from the other posts?

The first couple of updates were much looser as to how much time is passing, but eventually we settled into a groove of main turn + mid-turn. A main turn involves setting up projects and the like while the mid-turn is responding to developments elsewhere. From main turn to main turn is about one generation, which equals about 20-25 years, with a mid-turn falling somewhere around 10-15 years into the main turn most of the time. Excluding interludes and threadmarked omakes and the like there are about 70 posts... and I just realized my math is off. Crap. Call it about a 1000 years since things really got rolling then.

kilopi505 · May 15, 2017

Academia Nut said:
The first couple of updates were much looser as to how much time is passing, but eventually we settled into a groove of main turn + mid-turn. A main turn involves setting up projects and the like while the mid-turn is responding to developments elsewhere. From main turn to main turn is about one generation, which equals about 20-25 years, with a mid-turn falling somewhere around 10-15 years into the main turn most of the time. Excluding interludes and threadmarked omakes and the like there are about 70 posts... and I just realized my math is off. Crap. Call it about a 1000 years since things really got rolling then.

...so it's been a thousand years from "Beginnings" to "Conflicts of an age"?

Academia Nut · May 15, 2017

kilopi505 said:
...so it's been a thousand years from "Beginnings" to "Conflicts of an age"?

It's been a nebulous several thousand since beginnings, but the early turns took up much more time than the more recent turns.

veekie · May 15, 2017

pblur said:
Right. So what's actually relevant is whether the trees will cover up deposits that aren't already covered. After all, 99% of all the deposits ARE covered by dirt (also, note what AN said might expose more: erosion.)

@Academia Nut will Expand Forest potentially cover/reveal ore deposits for a later survey?

Also worth keeping in mind that forests are very very good at shutting down erosion and binding everything in place.

No7sHere · May 15, 2017

Ok, if we survive in a somewhat continuous form to the "modern age" the archaeologists are going to be ecstatic at having fairly complete records for such a period of time.

veekie · May 15, 2017

No7sHere said:
Ok, if we survive in a somewhat continuous form to the "modern age" the archaeologists are going to be ecstatic at having fairly complete records for such a period of time.

Literally buried hills of layered records organized by year and reign...which are 95% taxes.

Varano · May 15, 2017

veekie said:
Literally buried hills of layered records organized by year and reign...which are 95% taxes.

Even in ancient times, records were kept within the stygian depths of this great civilization, depicting the inescapable truth that there is no reprieve from the dark and terrible grip of this all powerful demon known far and wide as TAX destroyer of minds and hope.

Quest · May 15, 2017

Varano said:
Even in ancient times, records were kept within the stygian depths of this great civilization, depicting the inescapable truth that there is no reprieve from the dark and terrible grip of this all powerful demon known far and wide as TAX destroyer of minds and hope.

Now you're getting it.

Entropy Engineer · May 15, 2017

Varano said:
Even in ancient times, records were kept within the stygian depths of this great civilization, depicting the inescapable truth that there is no reprieve from the dark and terrible grip of this all powerful demon known far and wide as TAX destroyer of minds and hope.

I think some nations and people are going to be very interested in seeing our economic system.

ctulhuslp · May 15, 2017

Entropy Engineer said:
I think some nations and people are going to be very interested in seeing our economic system.

Local Marx will be drooling at the sight.

maximillian · May 15, 2017

Entropy Engineer said:
I think some nations and people are going to be very interested in seeing our economic system.

I sure hope not. The modern world doesn't need more communist sympathisers.

Then again it could be a cautionary tale of the dangers of the red philosophy.

Ghostdevil · May 15, 2017

ctulhuslp said:
Local Marx will be drooling at the sight.

We need to figure out a way to make communism actually work on a scale faaar bigger than we are.

McLuvin · May 15, 2017

ctulhuslp said:
Local Marx will be drooling at the sight.

Especially because we have the most prosperous economy in the region by far and have done for centuries

Kiba · May 15, 2017

Q: Was there racism in the Ymaryn Empire?

A: No, not the way we think of it. It is very clear from the archaeological, historical, and genetic records, the Ymaryn people and their modern day descendants are a fusion of various people over vast stretch of time. Unlike other people, they do not look down on others and those who came to their land. Instead, they worked to adapt and assimilate migrants into their culture.

The Ymaryn were also an incredibly generous people even today. At time, they even gifted knowledge to hated enemies, and accepted immigration from hated and despised people. Those immigrants and their descendants would go on to occupy prominent position in their society, a few even becoming king.

You can see why racism as a notion didn't occur to them.

Exactly how such a people developed an xenophiliac socioeconomic and cultural system is a continuous subject of debate and study to this day. Theories abound, but none were conclusive.

DocMatoi · May 15, 2017

maximillian said:
Then again it could be a cautionary tale of the dangers of the red philosophy.

"It could happen to you! Local Chalcolithic Civilization adopts communism and builds peaceful near-utopia! Beware!"

Academia Nut · May 15, 2017

Most economies of the time could be seen of as being vaguely communistic, and in fact throughout history the idea of "Throw everything into a central pot, distribute as needed" was fairly common. You can in fact see Marxist thinking as stemming out of a Romantic reactionary desire to apply communal distributions of basic resources in agrarian communities to industrialization. More simply, Marx was a very good diagnostician but rather poor at suggesting any sort of concrete solution to the problems identified.

McLuvin · May 15, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Most economies of the time could be seen of as being vaguely communistic, and in fact throughout history the idea of "Throw everything into a central pot, distribute as needed" was fairly common. You can in fact see Marxist thinking as stemming out of a Romantic reactionary desire to apply communal distributions of basic resources in agrarian communities to industrialization. More simply, Marx was a very good diagnostician but rather poor at suggesting any sort of concrete solution to the problems identified.

Also he was an idiot

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