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[X] Highland Kingdom
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I agree that influencing them while they are formulating laws might be a good idea.
 
veekie said:
If we send them a copy of our Laws, it's going to contain a hundred years of concentrated effort refining previous rulings into a unified Law. And remember they don't get Kickers. This is 4 actions to complete. Not cheap at all
So they'd probably get something like from their negaverse:
[] Ignore the Hill People Laws, they are foreign.
[] Use their Laws as a basis. Gain 2 actions worth of progress at no cost. Adopt some Hill People traditions.
[] Use their Laws and language as a basis. Gain 3 actions worth of progress at no cost. Adopt some Hill People traditions. Transition to Ideogramic/Phonetic writing at a -1 Stability cost. (if they don't already have it, because one of the challenges of writing a Law is how to write down legal ideas which you don't have the symbols for as they are abstract)
[] Just use their Laws, why waste your effort? Immediately complete The Law megaproject at no cost. Adopt Hill People laws wholesale. Lose 2 Stability.
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...And? I'm not really sure what you're hoping to get out of the Hill People adopting some of our laws.

As we saw with the Young Stallions, it is entirely possible for people to hold very similar traditions to us and still be a threat. Hell, it's arguably very disadvantageous for them to share laws with us because it encourages some of our nastier southern chiefs to break away and join the Hill People.

I would also say: the whole speculation on 'MAYBE we can interfere with their Law megaproject' rests on wishful thinking as much as anything else. If we're going with that, I can say 'MAYBE the Dead Priests are in such a good mood we can get numerous other tech trades right now'. A lot of your insights on the turn and numbers are great, veekie, but sometimes you come up with these pet ideas that have no real substance to them and run with numbers to support how it COULD happen if AN ran things completely different from a normal turn. Numbers that voters need to understand might have NO relation to reality.

Let's be clear- there's zero evidence we can interfere with their creation of Law at all and even if we can the tangible benefits to that are also very up in the air. Anyone weighing your arguments on that note should understand this whole 'we can set their Laws' thing is 99% wild speculation.
 
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I'm convinced.
[X] Study Stars (continues chain) + Survey Lands
[X] Xohyssiri
The DP have returned our favor twofold. Now we aid them again, and they must aid us in turn. They are the furthest away from us and thus have access to the largest array of different resources.

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I think we might actually be able to get an Honour Code related to megaprojects by continuing to spam them. Something along the lines of "It is honourable to be a cog in the grand workings of The People" or perhaps more generally finding honour in hard work for an ambitious goal. Also, it costs us an action to change policies and we have the econ necessary, might as well go for it. I'm assuming we don't have any Extended Projects worth pursuing though.

@Academia Nut
Is "Place to the Stars" considered a land management megaproject for the purposes of Divine Stewards?
It doesn't have the tag but we're putting a bunch of markers all across the land and managing them, so it's unclear to me.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by 2xMachina on May 6, 2017 at 5:07 PM, finished with 114 posts and 51 votes.
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notgreat said:
Is "Place to the Stars" considered a land management megaproject for the purposes of Divine Stewards?
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I'd ideally still like to wait on that one for when we have more widespread metal to cut down costs because doing stone shaping and dirt moving enmasse when we're still dealing with our shit tools is kinda bad.
 
I cannot believe you guys think we have something to gain from the DPs when the metalworkers are losing their shit over a new serious discovery. There is never a 'minor' discovery in early metalworking only 'get gud scrub now I'm gunna rek u' tier discoveries. The implications of this are immense!
 
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[X] Begin work on the Garden (-1 Econ, starts megaproject)

[X] Metal Workers

There could be a tiny little problem with visiting the DP as they still have the skull wall and we mostly forgot that it stands there. So it could sour our relations with them again if we see it and learn that some of the scary tales are true.
 
Motoko said:
I cannot believe you guys think we have something to gain from the DPs when the metalworkers are losing their shit over a new serious discovery. There is never a 'minor' discovery in early metalworking only 'get gud scrub now I'm gunna rek u' tier discoveries. The implications of this are immense!
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We can always just trade for it or steal it with the Blackbirds if it really is that important. No real reason to do it now, not when we haven't even set up our own copper mine.

Dirk93 said:
There could be a tiny little problem with visiting the DP as they still have the skull wall and we mostly forgot that it stands there.
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Part of the reason we're voting to go there is to see if it's still standing and how else the Dead Priests might've evolved.
 
Motoko said:
I cannot believe you guys think we have something to gain from the DPs when the metalworkers are losing their shit over a new serious discovery. There is never a 'minor' discovery in early metalworking only 'get gud scrub now I'm gunna rek u' tier discoveries. The implications of this are immense!
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It'll likely be

"Oh hey, we got some shiny. Too bad for you, we aren't sharing the secret."
 
Dirk93 said:
[X] Begin work on the Garden (-1 Econ, starts megaproject)

[X] Metal Workers

There could be a tiny little problem with visiting the DP as they still have the skull wall and we mostly forgot that it stands there. So it could sour our relations with them again if we see it and learn that some of the scary tales are true.
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Consider the returning shamans, though. They will tell tales of how we are merciful, but strong, and powerful workers of the land. And we are great administrators, how all work (mostly) for the good of the people.
 
Motoko said:
I cannot believe you guys think we have something to gain from the DPs when the metalworkers are losing their shit over a new serious discovery. There is never a 'minor' discovery in early metalworking only 'get gud scrub now I'm gunna rek u' tier discoveries. The implications of this are immense!
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The problem is even if we do learn the secret we are in no position to take advantage of it we do not even have our own mine yet we can always steal the secret at a later date
 
Motoko said:
I cannot believe you guys think we have something to gain from the DPs when the metalworkers are losing their shit over a new serious discovery. There is never a 'minor' discovery in early metalworking only 'get gud scrub now I'm gunna rek u' tier discoveries.
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:cry: ...Yes. The fact we probably outnumber the armies of all our enemies ten to one and have bows that drastically outrange them and have fortifications that make assaulting us a laughable idea makes no difference. All they need do is get three hundred dudes with bronze helmets and spears together like in '300' and our poisoned arrows will no doubt bounce right off their manly chests.
 
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Guys, I just thought of something:

In the far future, in modern times, there are going to be ancient aliens conspiracistss due to the amount of mega-projects the People have.

"They couldn't possibly have built all of this!"

 
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[X] Thunder Horse
 
BlueFlamingWings said:
Guys, I just thought of something:

In the far future, in modern times, there are going to be ancient aliens conspiracistss due to the amount of mega-projects the People have.

"They couldn't possibly have built all of this!"

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Yep. And that very much annoys me. Which is why I try to push for clear, concise, unambiguous record keeping whenever I see an opportunity.
 
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