Paths of Civilization

Andres · May 5, 2017

[X]Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X] [Main] The Garden
[X][Secondary] Study Health
[X][Secondary] Study Health x2
[X] [Kick] The Garden

Unlike the Saltern, we can actually get the Garden done this turn. It's important to do it while cholera is still super big and in everyone's mind as much as it can be.

Somebodynobody10 · May 5, 2017

So what are the pro/con for kicking/not kicking the Saltern?

tryrar · May 5, 2017

Somebodynobody10 said:
So what are the pro/con for kicking/not kicking the Saltern?

Pro:I gets done faster, to the point we can get it done in 2 turns guaranteed. Con: We loose 1 stability kicking it

Abby Normal · May 5, 2017

Somebodynobody10 said:
Wait, what did we get from the Thunder Speaker/Thunder Horse @Academia Nut ?

We ended up getting +2 diplo net, when we spent 1 diplo, so presumably at least one of the +3 diplo was from them...the +1 mysticism was probably the dead priests, and the +1 prestige was likely the cumulative effect, so yeah, probably +2 diplo from thunder horse, +1 diplo, +1mysticism from DP

bluefur87 · May 5, 2017

Oh, also.

On the study health thing, have people considered that since we don't have domesticated bee keeping, and that is part of the known cure, study forest may provide a more interesting benefit? That said, please don't forget that the main actions for study health and study forest cost 1 Econ. They aren't free.

Sivantic · May 5, 2017

Somebodynobody10 said:
So what are the pro/con for kicking/not kicking the Saltern?

Stability isn't exactly cheap. Why not save it for a rainy day?

DocMatoi · May 5, 2017

bluefur87 said:
Oh, also.

On the study health thing, have people considered that since we don't have domesticated bee keeping, and that is part of the known cure, study forest may provide a more interesting benefit? That said, please don't forget that the main actions for study health and study forest cost 1 Econ. They aren't free.

we don't?

Umi-san · May 5, 2017

kalugin said:
1 round. Done, we make the Saltern.

Same like to apply to Saltern, at the cost of a Kick. And this way we're not doing The Garden then the Dam, and benefit from the Saltern's potentially more profitable salt which the Garden cannot provide.

tryrar · May 5, 2017

bluefur87 said:
Oh, also.

On the study health thing, have people considered that since we don't have domesticated bee keeping, and that is part of the known cure, study forest may provide a more interesting benefit? That said, please don't forget that the main actions for study health and study forest cost 1 Econ. They aren't free.

We're at econ 7, we'll be fine

Kiba · May 5, 2017

[X]Dead Priests
[X][Main]The Saltern
[X][Secondary]New Settlement-Southshore
[X][Secondary]New Settlement-Southshorex2

We need to be able to build new trails.

bluefur87 · May 5, 2017

Symphony is also going to proc on The Saltern since we have Megaproject Support. This should at least take it down to 6 actions or otherwise make it go faster. Spending stability here is really a waste of stability. Remember, people also tend to work better when they're happy and super confident in their government, so higher stability provides better benefits!

DocMatoi said:
we don't?

Last I checked we just harvest wild honey.

tenchifew · May 5, 2017

[X] Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X] [Main] The Garden
[X][Secondary] Study Health
[X][Secondary] Study Health x2

Sivantic · May 5, 2017

tryrar said:
Pro:I gets done faster, to the point we can get it done in 2 turns guaranteed. Con: We loose 1 stability kicking it

There is also the possibility of kicking it next turn for the same benefit as well.

There is also the possibility if learning of an option that would help speed it up without costing Stability.

Andres · May 5, 2017

bluefur87 said:
That said, please don't forget that the main actions for study health and study forest cost 1 Econ. They aren't free.

It's only a single point of Econ, which is something we can make back ludicrously easy. Totally worth getting it done now while we're dealing with cholera and we're getting top-tier anatomy lessons. We won't get a better opportunity for many many generations.

Sivantic said:
Stability isn't exactly cheap. Why not save it for a rainy day?

We're also gaining 1 Stability from starting the Saltern/Garden since it helps with cholera.

Kiba · May 5, 2017

Andres110 said:
We're also gaining 1 Stability from starting the Saltern/Garden since it helps with cholera.

I want to save LoO for a rainy day for once, like having to deal with immigration again.

bluefur87 · May 5, 2017

Andres110 said:
We're also gaining 1 Stability from starting the Saltern since it helps with cholera.

And Stability 2>Stability 1

Seriously, can't we just wait until next turn? This only brings us from 3->4 Actions, which isn't going to be enough to finish the Saltern, likely even with a Crit.

notgreat · May 5, 2017

[X]Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X][Main] The Saltern
[X][Secondary] New Settlement-Southshore
[X][Secondary] New Settlement-Southshore x2

As we have seen, more actions are ridiculously powerful. Get more actions. Make two more provinces.

I'm neutral on the kicker vote so long as we get 2 provinces, since then we can Enforce Law which has some nice stability gain attached. It not, then we definitely shouldn't kick it since our only stability options would be RoO (which requires us to be at -1) or Grand Sacrifice (which costs 2.5 actions/stability while the kick only gains us 2).

Abby Normal · May 5, 2017

[X] Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X] [Main] The Garden
[X][Secondary] Study Health
[X][Secondary] Study Health x2
[X] [Kick] The Garden
Switching to this; with luck we finish this in one turn, then we can start on the saltern and make the southshore province next turn

RulerOfNothing · May 5, 2017

[X] Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X] [Main] Saltern
[X][Secondary] Study Health
[X][Secondary] Study Health x2
[X] [Kick] Don't Kick

Duesal · May 5, 2017

Hahaha, with a trait like that I'm tempted to pump the Dead Priests full of gifts until they run out of things to gift in return. And then we can go back to war.

[X] Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X] [Main] Saltern
[X][Secondary] Study Health
[X][Secondary] Study Health x2
[X] [Kick] Saltern

pblur · May 5, 2017

[X] Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X] [Main] Saltern
[X][Secondary] Study Health
[X][Secondary] Study Health x2
[X] [Kick] Saltern

I know we're unlikely to get Saltern done in one turn, but it's not a terrible gamble given Symphony synergy.

Also, I don't want our stability to get too high. Till we get an authoritative answer, I think +3 stab is likely about as bad as -3 in the long run.

tryrar · May 5, 2017

bluefur87 said:
And Stability 2>Stability 1

Seriously, can't we just wait until next turn? This only brings us from 3->4 Actions, which isn't going to be enough to finish the Saltern, likely even with a Crit.

You're forgetting symphony, which is likely going to add at least 1 action, possibly 2 with serious concentrated effort with a kick, which has a decent chance of finishing it in one turn.

Andres · May 5, 2017

bluefur87 said:
And Stability 2>Stability 1

Seriously, can't we just wait until next turn? This only brings us from 3->4 Actions, which isn't going to be enough to finish the Saltern, likely even with a Crit.

This is part of why I'm voting for the Garden, not the Saltern. Finishing it gives us +1 Stability from Divine Stewards.

tryrar · May 5, 2017

notgreat said:
[X]Dead Priests (One compatible value: The Greater Good)
[X][Main] The Saltern
[X][Secondary] New Settlement-Southshore
[X][Secondary] New Settlement-Southshore x2

As we have seen, more actions are ridiculously powerful. Get more actions. Make two more provinces.

I'm neutral on the kicker vote so long as we get 2 provinces, since then we can Enforce Law which has some nice stability gain attached. It not, then we definitely shouldn't kick it since our only stability options would be RoO (which requires us to be at -1) or Grand Sacrifice (which costs 2.5 actions/stability while the kick only gains us 2).

RoO can be used at zero stability

Ghostdevil · May 5, 2017

Huh the front page hasn't updated yet?
Atleast... the Trait hasn't been updated >.>

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