- Location
- Panama City
This. This is the only reason I switched because restore order is too dangerous to do as a secondary.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
We're also heavily rewarded for monofocosing.
Megaprojects provide unparalleled benefits, being strong at war means no one can beat you, actions taken in the same turn have repeatedly shown to have potential synergy, etc.
The trick is to not monofocus to the point where other areas suffer too much. A single turn is not going to do that.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Have to disagree on your point about copper imports. Getting outside sources of metal is neither cheap nor efficient. Can you imaging getting Canada to supply all the steel for US? The transportation cost along will make the accountants hang someone from a tall building, and we have good land routes. Our current supplier (metal worker) is trading using primitive boats, and salty air will damage the ingots. And if we are getting ores, then our smelters will be at the mercy of supplier; who may or may not undergo issues of their own. All in all, metal is good and getting local sources are better and cheaper.
- Location
- Hell
That's because Restore Order isn't cracking down on corruption. It's busting down heads to impose order. See Yakuza and Mafia for how that can end up with orderly corruption. Again the Project immediately busts us down to Stability -2 and that has consequences.
As we've seen with the Spirit Talkers, we can juat as easily cause problems through such monofocus.
9 votes or 5 people switching is not that much.
Do strategic voting near the end of the voting period unless you're looking for a compromise. Heck, game the system and vote Restore Order x2 + Establish Annual Festival if you're that worried, heavily decreasing the chance of a single Restore Order.
Why that over a festival? Until our slots are out festivals cost less econ and give chances at a side bonus. Sacrifice is not efficient as a secondary action, it should really be taken as a main.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
We import most of our clothes from Asia? And a fair amount of metals, rare earths, produce, luxuries, etc.
To quote myself, "we already import copper to make tools and weapons." I acknowledged previously ~2 pages ago that producing copper domestically would be nice. It's simply that the economic and independence benefits are the only immediate material gains of note.
glhf
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
That shit doesn't count, the time it takes us to cross from Asia to North America takes probably a week at most, it probably takes months for the shipment of metals in the stone age for something 1/1000th the distance. And a lot less as well as damage is delivered
- Location
- Hell
Don't compare modern international trade with stone age.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
Don't compare large scale shipping to and from large population pools with smaller scale shipping to and from smaller population pools? kk
I'm not the one who brought up CAN-US trade
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Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
Look certainly there is a risk that the police force we are creating will be used against the common folk, but as things stands with how much our population and territory has grown we cannot not have a police force. Just because there will be unpleasant side effects in the future does not invalidate the necessary benefits having an actual police force would do for our polity.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
It's mostly due to how fossil fuel is bullshit in reducing the cost of transportation with internal combustion engines and compact size/energy content. At the pre-copper age, we do not have anywhere near this kind of power. Remember, the whole concept of insurance is result of huge growth of shipping; therefore we know that sending things over large body of water is very risky and costly. The point is, do we want other civs to have metal supply as possible leverage?
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Order is of more urgency.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
Certainly Metal Tools like our military are necessary for our polity to not be outdone by our neighbors, but making sure your polity doesn't collapse from internal tension is also phenomenally important, so we need to do this now.
Next turn we should probably do Expand Warriors and Study Metal though, or at least we need to do one of them definitely.
Next turn we should probably do Expand Warriors and Study Metal though, or at least we need to do one of them definitely.
- Location
- Hell
Which is why people are voting for Blackbirds. This does not signify we should immediately try and use them to beat people's head in.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
There's a potentially very potent synergy in doing so however, and considering our current problem it's a synergy that we cant overlook.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
^JK
Real:
[Fut] [Main] New Settlement - Eastern Hills
[Fut] [Secondary] Study Metal
[Fut] [Secondary] New Trails
or
[Main] Expand Warriors
[Main] New Settlement - Eastern Hills
I just want the new province bonus... and we can do a main study metals + Main Survey action afterward
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The synergy is there if we wait a turn.
If we don't, the admin roll might fail and the narrative becomes "We tried to do a restore order, then realized that we kinda needed more blackbirds first." and we get no synergy.
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- Hell
Except that it has an equally likely chance of exasperating the situation. We're mixing two new things and hoping they end up the way we want.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
And then something happens next turn that makes it so that we can't afford to Main or Double Secondary Restore Order. We have the time to do it now, better to seize the opportunity, then to push it back to next turn and then we can't do it because of some disaster.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
synergy doesn't occur a turn apart, as far as i know
better than hiding from it
- Location
- Austria
JK or no, it still counts as your vote.
- Location
- Hell
We wouldn't have to because we would be taking care of the situation this turn anyway. Restore Order is not required for that.
Don't tell him that >3>