In order to deal with this corruption issue I guess we'll just have to hope that we role to get some better suggestions than make it hereditary next turn, it's what makes this whole issue so annoying, there just doesn't seem to be anything we as the players can do about it. All we can do is sit and watch as shortsighted greed screws us over.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Hey, you limited it down to three options. That's quite a bit actually.I kinda knew I was gonna get an answer like that, but I just had to ask anyways
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Sure? And the DP is a Calamity that spits at everything we stand for, but i don't see anyone in any hurry to fight them. We have priorities, getting better tech should be more important than dealing with leeches. Let's face the reality, greed is not going away; it's better to make the economy bigger than trying to run down the double dippers. Much more effective, and makes our civilization stronger.
Edit: Bigger economy by getting new tech for new industries. Like more craftsman or smiths or herb/medicine man.
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- Location
- Panama City
@Academia Nut Admin Advisor:What's the chance that Restore Order cracks down on the problem chiefs causing the trouble, rather then the complainers who are agitating against them?
That depends. Are we talking about police actions started by the corrupt local powers?
'Cause if not, the answer's the corrupt local powers.
There's a reason the peasantry generally supports the crown over the local nobility.
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
I'm fine with either. I just thought that the Restore Order could help us fight corruption, but sure. Edited.
- Location
- Austria
So you suggest giving up?
Besides, our values mean that your insinuations are far from guaranteed to be true; in fact, last time we did the crackdown, we were explicitly targetung corrupted, so , even if situation was somewhat different, you are partially contradicted by the story itself.
No, we are literally being forced into this. So we can fully embrace the challenge or just put it off again and continue tanking stability.
- Location
- Panama City
The situation is different because the action we took was restoration of harmony, not restore order. Completely different things
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Those who disrupt harmony, great or small, will be dealt with appropriately. There are more of the latter, but their transgressions also tend to be lesser.
- Location
- Hell
Except it isn't restoring harmony, it's creating order. One is not necessarily the other and can worsen the problem by driving us to -2 Stability.
That is what it starts us with and AN says that that does affect us.
No.
We are suggesting we stay calm and don't suddenly institute a nation wide crackdown on top of the changes we are incurring.
- Location
- Panama City
hrmmm... that can be interpreted several ways. I'm not sure which one though, so I'll let other analyze this.
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- Location
- Sydney
[X] [Main] New Settlement - Eastern Hills
[X] [Secondary]Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
Eastern Hills adds an additional Econ from the baby boom for it's duration, it is better to settle now in order to maximise Econ gain.
Grand Sacrifice trades Econ (that provinces are creating without spending any of our actions) for Stability.
[X] [Secondary]Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
Eastern Hills adds an additional Econ from the baby boom for it's duration, it is better to settle now in order to maximise Econ gain.
Grand Sacrifice trades Econ (that provinces are creating without spending any of our actions) for Stability.
- Location
- Austria
So basically it tells everyone to get in line and let us work out the solution? I can live with that.
This implies not cracking down on corruption , which is the source of problem, is somehow a good idea.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
We did embrace the challenge and rolled the dice, the result was not that we had bet on. Full swing at the same problem using all 3 actions seem excessive, boarding on paranoia-like behaviors. I thought we had more pressing matters to attend to?
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- Location
- Sweden
[X] [Main] New Settlement - Eastern Hills
[X] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
[X] [Secondary] Study Metal
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Hollow hearts are the most pressing matter of all.
Also, Blackbirds offer an advantage to other things than police work, as well.
At the moment? Not really.
Translation: It's up to you boss. We won't hold favorites, it goes against our ways. Or so he claims.
You don't ask your police officer if their guys are on the take and expect an affirmative answer.
Either he's not aware of it or he is aware of it and won't tell you. These are guys whose loyalty is more to the king trying to find the corrupt people as defined by the king. We're the ones taking direct action, not our provinces or anyone bellow.
If there is a failure it will be due to our king or the troops in their ability to handle this.
Yes, and now we are forced to roll the dice again in an upcoming mid turn event. We will continue to do such until we either give up and allow some form of corruption or find a way to deal with the problem. To stop this from continuing, we're weighing the dice in our favor as much as possible so we can move on to other things.
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People were saying that Blackbirds has synergy with Restore Order, which is true... if the admin roll is good and we get the blackbirds first. If instead we stagger them across 2 turns such that we make the blackbirds first and then do the crackdown, we're guaranteed to have a large blackbird force first. If we don't, there is a chance that the rolls cause bad ordering and we don't get that synergy.
We also really need that metal advancement. We voted to study it more, we should study it more. Right now it's just sitting there, not doing much. Let's fix that problem. If we get noticeably better at metalworking we improve almost literally everything we can do. It improves our tools, our weapons, becoming a producer of metal means we can get more from diplomacy, etc.
We also really need that metal advancement. We voted to study it more, we should study it more. Right now it's just sitting there, not doing much. Let's fix that problem. If we get noticeably better at metalworking we improve almost literally everything we can do. It improves our tools, our weapons, becoming a producer of metal means we can get more from diplomacy, etc.
- Location
- Illinois
Yeah, I can see this being true. Even in modern times, we see similar things. Local police are disliked, while a national force like the FBI is highly respected and seen as a fairly neutral force that can resolve problems with local areas in a non-biased manner.
See: The Little Rock Nine. The desegregation of US schools.
When President Dwight Eisenhower ordered the 101st Airborne in, they did not, in fact, go around beating up the black kids.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
we already import copper to make tools and weapons, so the main advantage will come if we discover how to make bronze, which is unlikely. And not important in the short term.
Also, Restore Order has basically already won, and if one of them wins but the other doesn't we're doing a risky and potentially ineffective action. So since we HAVE to half-ass it, we might as well full-ass it instead.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
As long as people are aware that possibility of events derailing the plan exists, i suppose that's ok. Who knows? Maybe another comet sighting or other seafaring civ making landfall.
Just remember that AN did advise us the danger of mono-focusing.