Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Carry us, OliWhail-senpai!I will put this entire goddamn thread on by back if I have to
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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- Europe
I will put this entire goddamn thread on by back if I have to
Truly, the hero we do not deserve.
If hostile forces find us, we are looking at a party wipe.
Are the chances of hostile forces finding us in Iron if we go to Hashimoto small enough that it is an okay price to pay to not piss Noburi off further?
Yeah, I have a hard time seeing how that calculus would support going to Hashimoto. Unless we want to get Hazou killed and change characters.
[-] Action Plan: At Last, Free Time!
[-] Action Plan: Not Actually Free Time
[-] Training Hazou: Seals
[X] Lore Update
[X] Training Hazou: None
Have I ever mentioned how much I don't like Lore Updates?
Mari can veto if it's really is the dumbest idea as you thought.
Do you really have no faith in Mari/Kagome and our PC teammates?
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- Phoenix, AZ
The problem is that what we say should be different depending on how TGR works out, since, in some cases, it might be worth having Noburi and Keiko do basic ninja training, in others, they should just hyper specialize. Additionally, if our ability to hide trails isn't dependant on stealth (or whatever excuse we have for not having been found yet), then getting med-nin training might not be quite so disastrous for Noburi. Since our conversations (at least the ones I think we should be having) have to do with our ability to improve, and our ability to improve relies heavily on the specifics of how TGR worked out, there's a decent chance we wind up needing to suggest the exact opposite of our current plan to our teammates next update when we know more about TGR.
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- Europe
Mari can't shut down a whole town while Noburi goes in for training. The information will leak one way or the other.
Kagome's seals cannot overpower a dedicated hunter-nin response once they know where we are.
PC-teammates are now actual genin, their contributions to execution are as negligible as Hazou's.
Besides, the participants still seem to have plenty of questions about how this rebalance thing is going to shake out. People are not happy and I don't think we can move on without some more discussion.
That is the real reason why we are going to need a Lore Update, or perhaps a missed update altogether if the QMs want to hash out things a bit more?
We're talking about Mari, the commander, making a life and death decision. If Mari tells Noburi to shove it, he will back down.
Unless you think our teammates are dumb as rock and decided to go to Yuni just because.
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- Yes.
I mean, if we phrase the thing with Noburi poorly enough he might just up and do it himself. Or try, before Inoue-sensei beats his ass back down.
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- Europe
Mari and the team are still obviously compromised by the cognitive hazard that is Hazou's masculine charm. If we vote things like "go to Hashimoto" there is a fair chance that will happen and we will reap the rewards.
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- USA
Masukyurinchāmu: truly the most fearsome genjutsu, if even Inoue was unable to counteract it. Clearly Jiraiya recognized the threat we posed, which is the real reason we were kicked out of Leaf.
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- Yes.
Thought of it by making chakra storage seals. Kagome screamed.
Also, we considered doing something like this when VD was invented. GMs veto'd it.
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- UK
You do that all the time, though. Rational Fiction ≠ Realism.
This seems like a fairly easy argument to work around. Make the downtime between missions generally longer, rather than a single timeskip, and make each particular quest take more days than otherwise shown.
If anything that just makes the extent of her outburst more believable.
Why is this a problem? None of the children act as one would expect of their age group anyway. (This whole 13-year-old romance thing being taken seriously has always seemed weird to me. Romance at that age is fickle.)
It's not surprising that ninja without exposure to missions would not yet show the extent of their talent, and even then a talented genin is easily overlooked given how easily they are outshadowed by basically every other ninja. You don't have to go to straw-man levels of talent for this point to matter.
Plus, kids are frequently shallow. Talented "nerds" or support like Keiko or Noburi getting bullied is par for the course among adolescents. People of poor social standing, who engage in delinquency, like Hazō are going to be overlooked by an honour-based system. Sure, they'd probably have gotten some of that popularity back once they started power levelling ranks, but you could say the same of Bill Gates or whatever.
It's worth noting that the world, the Swamp of Death in particular, acts as a filter that makes it implausible for the team to be anything but special. If you care specifically about being Rational Fiction, either the team is dead or the team is unnaturally talented.
Not all ninja are in a remotely similar situation. The numbers don't add up. The average ninja lifespan is 8 years. The average lifespan among our group is like a month or so. The average lifespan among our group post-filter is still looking to be three years or so, and that's despite the prior buff to their skills you've now taken away that massively improved their survivability.
Since ninja are valuable resources in scarce supply, it seems entirely plausible to me that a village would willingly trade a slower rate of skill acquisition for longer lifespans. This increases the number of ninja alive at any one time, and on average a longer-lived ninja is likely to reach Jōnin with a higher probability. Under that argument, we would be progressing at far higher rates than village ninja.
FWIW, I'm not making a point on whether the rebalancing is good; I just wasn't impressed by these rationalizations. I'm completely willing to try out the changes as given.
I'll point out that making the team roughly at low-Chūnin level and stretching the time span a bit would be a reasonable middle ground. You don't have to do just one adjustment, any they would make a lot of the other past events a lot more plausible.
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- USA
I fully approve of this kind of mad science. That said, Vampiric Dew's drain range is one meter per level, and you'll probably have a hard time fitting 168,000 kg worth of sea life within that radius.
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Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
So to summarize:
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[X] Action Plan: We Need to Step Up Our Game
[x] Action Plan: INFINITE CHAKRA
Lore update with what? I thought the majority of the training was going towards non-combat purposed things anyway? (Sealing, Stealth, Tacmove).
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[X] Action Plan: We Need to Step Up Our Game
[x] Action Plan: INFINITE CHAKRA
Lore update with what? I thought the majority of the training was going towards non-combat purposed things anyway? (Sealing, Stealth, Tacmove).
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- floating away
Hmm.
How about "walk along the shore, absorbing all the chakra you can find from non human chakra sources. If you reach maximum chakra capacity, create another water clone with half your total chakra and the same commands but a random direction away from shore, rather than along the shore."
That would only work if:
- The Biomass along the shore was enough to support clones.
- A mid-to-high level clone can have simple conditionals (low level clones can't.)
- We find a way to extend the range by a lot.
If all three of those can be solved, we can grey goo the elemental nations with mindless vampires until the elemental nations put an end to it.
What are these limits, exactly? Can they be increased?
Edit: This won't work, at least not exponentially.
Let's say future Noburi's skill in water clone is 18.
He casts water clone 9 times, giving them these instructions and a generous helping of chakra to get themselves started. Even if each of them finds enough chakra to reproduce, they each now only have a 6 in the skill, only being able to maintain three clones. This second generation now only has a two in the water clone jutsu themselves, and can only maintain one clone each. Whether this generation can clone themselves depends on whether skills levels of clones round up or down. If up, this can still work, under the right circumstances.
Noburi: 1
First Gen Clones: 9, WC Skill 6
Second Gen Clones: 27 WC Skill 2
Third Gen Clones: 27 WC Skill 2/3 (maybe 1?)
Not quite as explosive as I was hoping.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Note that clones do not benefit from bloodlines. (Unless you want Itachi to have access to Mangekyo Sharingan-equipped Shadow Clones?)
Vecht
Self-Requested Ban
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- Snarksville, Snarkland
Why not? Sounds like an interesting challenge.
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- floating away
Ooh. Darn it! I thought Vampiric Dew was just a Jutsu that he knew, and his crazy chakra system was all his bloodline was for some reason.
Emstar
The Shining One
- Location
- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I don't see why having one or two extra Itachi's is anymore dangerous than just one Itachi. It's still O(Itachi) in terms of threat level.
It's not like he can spam shadow clones (which divide chakra evenly amongst the clones) AND use chakra intensive MS techniques, that would take a level of chakra we don't have evidence Itachi has. Why would he even need to do that?
- Location
- UK
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- He/Him
Why indeed? I assure you, MfD!Itachi has a much more interesting ability set...
Rihaku
The Internet
Yes, if after 480,000 words of development the characters are still supposed to be genin level, players and GMs need to clarify what type of quest this is intended to be (or at least, what type of quest the underlying assumptions will actually create). Perpetual psuedo-slice of life about a genin team is a viable story, but the illusion of progression should be dispensed with, as should the carrot of "changing the world."
If 480,000 words is not enough backstory to reach the point where player characters can seriously engage the setting, then when will that occur? Even if Hazou & Co retained their power AND grew twice as fast from now on it would still be hundreds of thousands of words before the players got to play the game they're ostensibly dreaming of.
Honestly, 480,000 words to get to full jounin would be a respectable epic-length slog, still very much on the long side. It's not as if full jounin aren't a dime a dozen among the power players in the setting. And a full jounin is pretty irrelevant against the likes of Akatsuki, and even Itachi + Kisame are so far below Jiraiya that Itachi considers him the overwhelming favorite were they to fight. And Jiraiya is completely outclassed by Nagato, and Nagato trumped utterly by Madara....
Though that's to be expected. Who could even touch Uchiha Madara?
Kalkin
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- AK
Do you want more Hyuga running around? This is how you get more Hyuga running around.