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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Lol. People are thinking about seducing Sasuke. The very same Sasuke that had Karin throw herself at him and then stabbed her because he thought she was disposable.

Something nobody brought up: How about we become a fire temple initiate? Peaceful all around and without suspicious ninja to kick our asses.
 
Chronic, they told us in one of the posts that they changed things in the background so people (in canon history) wouldn't have made poor decisions. So don't go off on them when they did tell you.

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Jackercracks said:
Be careful relying on OOC knowledge, because we've done a lot of backstory work on this and the specific event you're relying on might never have happened. We've generally kept the broad strokes the same, but be warned that it's AU from this point onwards. We have also tried to make the high level players more competent in their planning.

Also, be warned that the world of Naruto is a death world, and we intend to treat it as such. Your creativity and clever thinking may just make the difference.
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Rooster said:
Lol. People are thinking about seducing Sasuke. The very same Sasuke that had Karin throw herself at him and then stabbed her because he thought she was disposable.

Something nobody brought up: How about we become a fire temple initiate? Peaceful all around and without suspicious ninja to kick our asses.
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Karin was a hormone addled teenager whose chakra sense made it so she couldn't think straight in his presence.

We are a hivemind superintelligence ruthlessly optimising for success which can look up seduction techniques on the internet at will. [jk]
 
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*2 Years Later*

"Hey, how did that rational super-hardcore Naruto Quest go?"

"Well, first we seduced a 12-year-old and made 32 wonderful babies together..."
 
Rihaku said:
Which reminds me - aside from missing-nun, aren't actual defector-nin a thing? North Korea could claim a defecting pilot is a monstrous outlaw, but the U.S. would look upon him as a refugee.
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I believe they are a thing. But I couldn't find any immediate examples other than Sasuke joining Sound.
We would probably be heavily scrutinized and never trusted, watched like a hawk for any suspicious activity and thrown under a bus when our worth becomes less than the bus's, but living is living.

MadScientist said:
Karin was a hormone addled teenager whose chakra sense made it so she couldn't think straight in his presence.

We are a hivemind superintelligence ruthlessly optimising for success which can look up seduction techniques on the internet at will.
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If we are aiming for seducing individuals for our own safety there are probably better targets than a 12-year old with no(likely) concrete political power or standing. He is probably also under heavy guard from people who watch for stuff like that, and it is not unlikely he has been somewhat trained to spot hangers-on who want what he has to give, since he was second-in-line to the Uchiha throne. As well as experienced with fan-girls (and probable boys, depending on how hetero-normative Leaf is) trying to manipulate him.
Better targets would be a mayor in a semi-large civilan town or some civilian rich person.
 
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Honestly, we probably shouldn't plan around our bloodline being valuable for Konoha or around Sasuke. If high level players have been made more competent Itachi is probably Hokage right now, the Uchiha a respected clan and Danzo is rotting somewhere in an unmarked grave.

eaglejarl said:
3) Yes, but then we would not have been able to feed on the sweet, sweet deliciousness that is your tears of rage and despair.
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Oh damn it. That attitude. My absolute favorite. I foresee that we will be having a lot of fun in our future.
 
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MadScientist said:
Male vs Female

Male
-able to spawn more possible Uchihas than if female
-do we really want to go that route?
-that's a lot of sex
-probably easier to just learn genetics and make Uchiha clones from tweaks of our genome than have that many kids

Female
-possibility of seducing Sasuke
-that's not exactly a great plan right now
-maybe an oppurtunity to seduce him will arise later, but atm it looks like a death sentence
-dying in labour would be really embarrassing
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Female DOES open up the possibility for in-utero alteration into a proper sharingan.
 
[x] Female
[x] Katsumi Mai (Mist Dance]

Am I the only one perturbed by the fact that we are munchkining our sex?
 
MordBad said:
If we are aiming for seducing individuals for our own safety there are probably better targets than a 12-year old with no(likely) concrete political power or standing. He is probably also under heavy guard from people who watch for stuff like that, and it is not unlikely he has been somewhat trained to spot hangers-on who want what he has to give, since he was in the second-in-line to the Uchiha throne. As well as experienced with fan-girls (and probable boys, depending on how hetero-normative Leaf is) trying to manipulate him.
Better targets would be a mayor in a semi-large civilan town or some civilian rich person.
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I wasn't actually suggesting we do it, just pointing out that our protag is Yog-Sothoth in human form.

If we wanted to seduce Sasuke, I'd give us way better odds than Karin.
 
*ahem*

I'm going to point out that chances are Sasuke will never actually be in Wave considering the changes that probably have happened.

Like, a rational Kakashi would have said "fuck off" the moment Tazuna revealed he lied about the mission they're on. He would have the guy dragged back to Konoha by his entrails to stand trial for deceiving a major hidden village to save money, risking the lives of an elite Jonin, the Kyuubi Jinchuriki, the Last Uchiha, and a girl with a bloodline giving her pink hair.
 
@Chonic I can't speak for the others but basically I didn't want to unduly influence your collective decision making. Once your character actually exists and has a name I'll have far more leeway to answer questions about things he or she would know.
 
eaglejarl said:
@Jackercracks, how should I respond to this? I'm thinking one of the following:

1) Yes.
2) You didn't ask.
3) Yes, but then we would not have been able to feed on the sweet, sweet deliciousness that is your tears of rage and despair.
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I don't know how much of this is serious or a joke, but the expecting your players to read your mind style of GMing is toxic.

A Rational!Quest is very information driven, but we need at least enough information to know where to ask questions.
 
Jackercracks said:
@Chonic I can't speak for the others but basically I didn't want to unduly influence your collective decision making. Once your character actually exists and has a name I'll have far more leeway to answer questions about things he or she would know.
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Eh it is not that bad. I underestimated just how much you decided to change canon. After all, there is no way our character could choose his village of birth in character.

It is just that Killer-GMs that feed on their players tears are my Kryptonite.
 
I don't think anyone is seriously considering seducing Sasuke, since male is winning heavily and Sasuke is straight in canon.

Chronic said:
Honestly, we probably shouldn't plan around our bloodline being valuable for Konoha or around Sasuke. If high level players have been made more competent Itachi is probably Hokage right now, the Uchiha a respected clan and Danzo is rotting somewhere in an unmarked grave.
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It should be relatively public knowledge whether the Uchiha are a flourishing clan or not. Hopefully we'll get an answer before we have to make any in-character decisions.

Oh damn it. That attitude. My absolute favorite. I foresee that we will be having a lot of fun in our future.
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It is concerning, but I'm willing to reserve judgement until we see how updates work
 
To the general public: if there's meta knowledge you want to rely on, asking if it's true is a good idea. This is a rational quest, and that cuts both ways: we will create a world that is rational to the best of our ability and knowledge, and making allowances for the fact that the source material is bonkers.

You, on the other hand, need to behave rationally both as a character and as players. How do you know what you know? Are you sure what you know is correct? In this case you were told that meta-knowledge was not trustworthy, yet you trusted it anyway. It's not our job to spoon feed you if you start making bad decisions.

As to taking actions that are driven purely by meta-knowledge...well, I for one won't stop you, but I may blow the occasional raspberry at you.

EDIT: I see someone just asked. I'm just getting off a train so I will need to leave it to the others to respond.
 
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@Rihaku The choice of village of origin is at least defensible as a special case. Any information we would use to decide what village to desert would also be information of villages we don't belong to.
 
Jackercracks said:
The demon fox rampaged across Konoha approximately 12 years ago. There, confirmed (for like the third time).Your Kage is Yagura. Starting his rein in blood and tyranny, Yondaime Mizukage Yagura later became the host of the Three Tailed Beast. You heard about it when Hoshigaki Kisame famously killed his mentor and betrayed the Mist, and though Yagura's wrath was terrible at the time he seems to have mellowed out since then, ending the Bloody Mist graduation exams and generally being much more lenient. You're really not sure why. There was some trouble slowly building up between the clans and the civilians after the third war but the matter was resolved to everyone's satisfaction. Anyway, you're kind of terrified that they'll send captain Zabuza after you, that guy is scary and works in the hunter-nin division.
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eaglejarl said:
To the general public: if there's meta knowledge you want to rely on, asking if it's true is a good idea. This is a rational quest, and that cuts both ways: we will create a world that is rational to the best of our ability and knowledge, and making allowances for the fact that the source material is bonkers.

You, on the other hand, need to behave rationally both as a character and as players. How do you know what you know? Are you sure what you know is correct? In this case you were told that meta-knowledge was not trustworthy, yet you trusted it anyway. It's not our job to spoon feed you if you start making bad decisions.

As to taking actions that are driven purely by meta-knowledge...well, I for one won't stop you, but I may blow the occasional raspberry at you.

EDIT: I see someone just asked. I'm just getting off a train so I will need to leave it to the others to respond.
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I feel like Cassandra of Troy:

I WAS RIGHT!

WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
 
eaglejarl said:
Regarding "Plan: Seduce 12-year-old Emo Brat", a question:

How exactly does your character know that Sasuke exists?
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That depends on how much we know about Konohas potential internal troubles.
Please illuminate us: have we heard about anything like an Uchiha massacre in Konoha? Who was Hokage last we heard? Have we seen any Bingo-books from Konoha lately? What briefings did the jounin give us about Konoha-nin we could meet and what to watch out for?

All these and more are likely questions we won't get answers to until the actual introductory post. :)
But yeah, a setting-knowledge post would be swell, your highness. <3
Unless you somehow enjoy invalidating crazy, non-sensical plans or watching cunningly over-complicated prematurely crafted plans fall apart based on minor differences in story.
But who would be that evil?

ClawClawBite said:
I don't know how much of this is serious or a joke, but the expecting your players to read your mind style of GMing is toxic.

A Rational!Quest is very information driven, but we need at least enough information to know where to ask questions.
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Chronic said:
Eh it is not that bad. I underestimated just how much you decided to change canon. After all, there is no way our character could choose his village of birth in character.

It is just that Killer-GMs that feed on their players tears are my Kryptonite.
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All of it is a joke. Eaglejarl is a jokester. To me this reads tongue-in-cheek.
Extending benefit of doubt and all that. Eaglejarl won't deliberately screw us.
He likes to play the role of the "feeding-on-tears" guy, but he has enough perspective and is well-adjusted enough socially to know not to actually be that guy. Heck, he can write characters that make internal sense with differing motivations and believable conflicts. To do that you have to be able to simulate other perspectives somewhat. That helps on the "accurately-modeling-what-is-socially-acceptable"-thingy.

This change makes sense in a more rational world, and it's not completely out of left-field.
It's good we get a relatively minor(in the big picture kind of way) reminder to double-check our knowledge, and not a complete slap in the face.

Though, as mentioned, looking forward to that background-briefing.
 
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Rooster said:
The dice have no memory. Don't get cocky people with this kind of thinking. Sure it's 32 tries, but people aren't fertile that long, and even 5 can put a serious strain on health.
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Embryo extraction and surrogate mothers are not out of the question, given a certain level of medic-nin knowhow. But I'm not arguing for a female protagonist anymore anyway.

@AugSphere I added a column for effective level instead of mucking with default levels and costs. It should be fairly finalized, barring any rerulings on bloodline functionality.
 
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