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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Left-Hand Mutant said:
But y tho?

It just isn't relevant at these levels.
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I want to lock down the mechanics, especially the one that extends the runic AoE zone to increased TN relation to paper seals.

Goo Grenades are useful for RW users (they translate a RW hit on Hidan into 'Hidan is trapped in Goo') when friendly fire would perclude using Goo Bombs but what I'm primarily interested in is Goopocolypse and Goo Mine, which will have TNs above 60.

I'd strongly prefer for the Goo Grenade to have confirmed mechanics before we throw a prep day towards the later seals in the chain.
 
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_The_Bomb said:
I want to lock down the mechanics, especially the one that extends the runic AoE zone to increased TN relation to paper seals.

Goo Grenades are useful for RW users (they translate a RW hit on Hidan into 'Hidan is trapped in Goo') when friendly fire would perclude using Goo Bombs but what I'm primarily interested in is Goopocolypse and Goo Mine, which will have TNs above 60.

I'd strongly prefer for the Goo Grenade to have confirmed mechanics before we throw a prep day towards the later seals in the chain.
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The QMs seem to have broadly ruled out making distributeable seals that attack/block/ect at near-essie levels.
They've also said that letting goo bomb numbers scale that high was maybe a mistake, IIRC.

And even if we did manageto goo Hidan, he can just use a suicide technique to free himself.
 
I don't think Goo Bombs are enough to lock down Hidan. He can just cut an arm/leg off, if it gets stuck, and be fine.

It's something that I would want Hazou-pilot's feedback on before I vote for it. As-is, I'll likely vote against any plan that has it.
 
Left-Hand Mutant said:
The QMs seem to have broadly ruled out making distributeable seals that attack/block/ect at near-essie levels.
They've also said that letting goo bomb numbers scale that high was maybe a mistake, IIRC.

And even if we did manageto goo Hidan, he can just use a suicide technique to free himself.
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Hidan is not S-Rank at dodging — remember he got his lungs slurped out by an implosion seal trap — but rather at healing from damage.

Scaling up a static seal trap that already has a great chance of capturing him in a way that his S-Rank trick cannot counter is a good use of time, and thus what my vote will cost.

His suicide explosion appeared to massively weaken him (he was moving way slower after it), so even forcing that would be great. That said, I'm not too sure he can trigger that manually instead of it being an automatic bioseal that triggers when he takes lethal damage. Why else would he have allowed Naruto to shove a Rasengan through his chest?

If that indeed is the case, capturing Hidan in goo would stop him from deploying his explosion.
 
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@Sir Stompy, @faflec here's versions of your plans with my query section included.

Word count: 296.
  • Desired Update Duration: 10 days
  • Sanity-check everything with Kei.
  • Respond to Naruto:
    • We've learned TH.
    • Inventing viable Akatsuki-killers is difficult. We have many ideas, and we've been narrowing the possibilities down, but the novelty of runecrafting limits us.
      • We have viable defensive-rune ideas. We'll switch to them if the offensive lines of research prove intractable.
    • Query: What attack scenarios on the Akatsuki are strategically viable? How are our weapons expected to be deployed?
      • How well can we track them?
        • How much can Leaf improve its surveillance? How risky'd it be?
      • Any circumstances where we can pin down/constrain where they would be hours/days in advance?
        • Perhaps using some clever one-off scheme? Tricking/manipulating them into being predictable?
      • Can we locate-and-destroy two Akatsuki pairs in quick succession, such that killing one pair doesn't instantly alert others?
        • Do they have any fast large-scale communication technology?
  • Write a heartfelt congratulations letter to Sasha for graduating. Empathize that we believe in her, and know she'll do amazing things.
    • Mari: Pull strings to ensure a solid jonin-sensei.
    • Order party/celebration in her honor.
  • Research (full prep on everything):
  • Miscellaneous:
    • Submit Furrowed Brow of the Earth Mother to the Leaf Library.
      • Offer rewards to people for learning it.
    • Cannai: Are there currently any places in Dog with active combat?
      • If no, ask Kei about quickly finding some dangerous chakra beasts nearby (to hone combat skills).
Word count: 274
  • Desired Update Duration: 10 days
  • Sanity-check everything with Kei.
  • Respond to Naruto:
    • We've learned TH.
    • Inventing viable Akatsuki-killers is difficult. We have many ideas, and we've been narrowing the possibilities down, but the novelty of runecrafting limits us.
      • We also have viable defensive-rune ideas, and can work on those instead.
    • Query: What attack scenarios on the Akatsuki are strategically viable? How are our weapons expected to be deployed?
      • How well can we track them?
        • How much can Leaf improve its surveillance? How risky'd it be?
      • Any circumstances where we can pin down/constrain where they would be hours/days in advance?
        • Perhaps using some clever one-off scheme? Tricking/manipulating them into being predictable?
      • Can we locate-and-destroy two Akatsuki pairs in quick succession, such that killing one pair doesn't instantly alert others?
        • Do they have any fast large-scale communication technology?
  • Write a heartfelt congratulations letter to Sasha for graduating. Empathize that we believe in her, and know she'll do amazing things.
    • Mari: Pull strings to ensure a solid jonin-sensei.
    • Order party/celebration in her honor.
  • Research (full prep on everything):
    • SSA track #1: TR75. (If it's not "... well within...", switch to Force Blades. )
    • SSA track #2: Air Dome Rune.
    • Non-SSA track: Runic HOWS. If finished, switch to Storage Runes.
      • If either isn't "... well within...", don't proceed.
    • 4th/5th track, prep days on:
  • Miscellaneous:
    • Submit Furrowed Brow of the Earth Mother to the Leaf Library.
      • Offer rewards to people for learning it.
    • Cannai: Are there currently any places in Dog with active combat?
      • If no, ask Kei about quickly finding some dangerous chakra beasts nearby (to hone combat skills).
 
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RandomOTP said:
If Hazou-pilot thinks it merits research, I'll be more inclined. Even more so if Kei and Kagome are of a similar opinion.
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It is a known weakness of Hidan that was specifically mentioned in the dossier. That is enough for me to trade my vote.

If you want to consult Kei about it before pledging yours, I certainly won't stop you.
 
_The_Bomb said:
It is a known weakness of Hidan that was specifically mentioned in the dossier. That is enough for me to trade my vote.

If you want to consult Kei about it before pledging yours, I certainly won't stop you.
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I know that promises and oaths are A Thing^tm for you, so I'll try to clarify my statements. I do not mean this in a rude way, or in a passive aggressive sense. I'm simply trying to clarify my stance as much as possible, using neutral language, to minimize potential future strife.

I am currently at a point where Goo Bomb runes/seals would repel my vote. I would vote against plans that have such in it.

I am not precommiting to voting for Goo Bomb runes/seals. If Hazou-pilot (plus Kei or Kagome) think it's a viable option, then I will no longer vote against the idea, but that alone would not actively earn my vote.

I am very, very leery of precommiting votes with regard to research.
 
Noumero said:
@Sir Stompy, @faflec here's versions of your plans with my query section included.

Word count: 296.
  • Desired Update Duration: 10 days
  • Sanity-check everything with Kei.
  • Respond to Naruto:
    • We've learned TH.
    • Inventing viable Akatsuki-killers is difficult. We have many ideas, and we've been narrowing the possibilities down, but the novelty of runecrafting limits us.
      • We have viable defensive-rune ideas. We'll switch to them if the offensive lines of research prove intractable.
    • Query: What attack scenarios on the Akatsuki are strategically viable? How are our weapons expected to be deployed?
      • How well can we track them?
        • How much can Leaf improve its surveillance? How risky'd it be?
      • Any circumstances where we can pin down/constrain where they would be hours/days in advance?
        • Perhaps using some clever one-off scheme? Tricking/manipulating them into being predictable?
      • Can we locate-and-destroy two Akatsuki pairs in quick succession, such that killing one pair doesn't instantly alert others?
        • Do they have any fast large-scale communication technology?
  • Write a heartfelt congratulations letter to Sasha for graduating. Empathize that we believe in her, and know she'll do amazing things.
    • Mari: Pull strings to ensure a solid jonin-sensei.
    • Order party/celebration in her honor.
  • Research (full prep on everything):
  • Miscellaneous:
    • Submit Furrowed Brow of the Earth Mother to the Leaf Library.
      • Offer rewards to people for learning it.
    • Cannai: Are there currently any places in Dog with active combat?
      • If no, ask Kei about quickly finding some dangerous chakra beasts nearby (to hone combat skills).
Word count: 274
  • Desired Update Duration: 10 days
  • Sanity-check everything with Kei.
  • Respond to Naruto:
    • We've learned TH.
    • Inventing viable Akatsuki-killers is difficult. We have many ideas, and we've been narrowing the possibilities down, but the novelty of runecrafting limits us.
      • We also have viable defensive-rune ideas, and can work on those instead.
    • Query: What attack scenarios on the Akatsuki are strategically viable? How are our weapons expected to be deployed?
      • How well can we track them?
        • How much can Leaf improve its surveillance? How risky'd it be?
      • Any circumstances where we can pin down/constrain where they would be hours/days in advance?
        • Perhaps using some clever one-off scheme? Tricking/manipulating them into being predictable?
      • Can we locate-and-destroy two Akatsuki pairs in quick succession, such that killing one pair doesn't instantly alert others?
        • Do they have any fast large-scale communication technology?
  • Write a heartfelt congratulations letter to Sasha for graduating. Empathize that we believe in her, and know she'll do amazing things.
    • Mari: Pull strings to ensure a solid jonin-sensei.
    • Order party/celebration in her honor.
  • Research (full prep on everything):
    • SSA track #1: TR75. (If it's not "... well within...", switch to Force Blades. )
    • SSA track #2: Air Dome Rune.
    • Non-SSA track: Runic HOWS. If finished, switch to Storage Runes.
      • If either isn't "... well within...", don't proceed.
    • 4th/5th track, prep days on:
  • Miscellaneous:
    • Submit Furrowed Brow of the Earth Mother to the Leaf Library.
      • Offer rewards to people for learning it.
    • Cannai: Are there currently any places in Dog with active combat?
      • If no, ask Kei about quickly finding some dangerous chakra beasts nearby (to hone combat skills).
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Thanks, and done.
 
RandomOTP said:
I know that promises and oaths are A Thing^tm for you, so I'll try to clarify my statements. I do not mean this in a rude way, or in a passive aggressive sense. I'm simply trying to clarify my stance as much as possible, using neutral language, to minimize potential future strife.

I am currently at a point where Goo Bomb runes/seals would repel my vote. I would vote against plans that have such in it.

I am not precommiting to voting for Goo Bomb runes/seals. If Hazou-pilot (plus Kei or Kagome) think it's a viable option, then I will no longer vote against the idea, but that alone would not actively earn my vote.

I am very, very leery of precommiting votes with regard to research.
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And are you going to be doing this for all prep days that you view as useless (what merit do you think MS10 will give us by-the-by) or just the one that I proposed?

There are many, many research-slots available each day and attempting to strangle using one of them for a single day (in a twenty two day plan!) that you view, at worst, as a waste of time instead of actively harmful comes across as very anti-collaborative.

You are generally a very lovely person, so it greatly saddens me to read a message from you that reads at best as uncivil and at worst as a game-theoretic coercion of the kind that is strictly forbidden here.
 
eaglejarl said:
The Light Relay seal can indeed output visible light when the input is tuned to past-blue and exposed to a past-blue HOWS. Hazō tests a variety of output colors across the rainbow and finds they all work, so long as the input tuning matches the tuning of the relevant HOWS.
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Did the past-blue input start emitting visible light when exposed to sunlight?
 
[X] Training Plan Hazou: TH 10

Sir Stompy said:
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped


So Hazou can't figure out how to research runic arrays.

And it was also said on Discord that Hazou thinks this is specifically an issue of his PS skill level being too low

My question is, does this seem to Hazou to be a genuine difference between PS and Sealing? Hazou's eff PS for the difficulty checks is 18+25 = 43 - (low) chunin level.

There are many sealing arrays that are chunin level or lower. Scenery Clone Seal Array, Silence Shell Seal Array, Five Seal Barrier, Force Wall, etc.

The fact that he has no idea where even to start says to me that runic arrays cannot be considered analogous to sealing arrays. Is that what Hazou thinks too?
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It might be that researching existing sealing arrays or even adapting new sealing arrays based on known sealing array theory are both much easier than figuring out the basics of how an array is supposed to work given runic paradigms.
 
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Sir Stompy said:
A prep day doesn't lock down the mechanics
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I didn't ask for a prep-day. I asked for a single day of research which takes the same amount of time as a prep-day.

It is genin difficulty, so there is zero risk and zero FP spent. I will have to spend my vote to buy another research day next cycle and maybe another after that, but I'm willing to do that to finish this particular seal.

(Though maybe we can get it done sooner if @T_of_A is still interested in voting for it!)
 
_The_Bomb said:
I didn't ask for a prep-day. I asked for a single day of research which takes the same amount of time as a prep-day.

It is genin difficulty, so there is zero risk and zero FP spent. I will have to spend my vote to buy another research day next cycle and maybe another after that, but I'm willing to do that to finish this particular seal.

(Though maybe we can get it done sooner if @T_of_A is still interested in voting for it!)
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Gotcha. Days are pretty tight in my plan, better off asking somebody else.
 
_The_Bomb said:
@Paperclipped @eaglejarl @Velorien
It's not going to be a problem to buy TH 10 now that we've graduated from the Toad Sages' training, is it?

If so, is there something that we can put in a plan that would fix the problem?
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We paid the time cost for learning from the TS in the last update. So IMO we should be okay to spend that XP to learn up to TH 10 and then stop spending that time with them.

Going forward I am going to be putting that time towards notes/FOOM. Probably notes first until we've finished Oro's Sealing Notes.
 
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