Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

Emstar · Jan 30, 2024

Velorien said:
Snowflake is politely pretending you didn't say anything.

Snowflake continues to be in the running for best girl.

Cariyaga · Jan 30, 2024

Velorien said:
Kei gives you a disdainful look while Mari facepalms. Snowflake is politely pretending you didn't say anything.

Please put any other ideas into a plan rather than asking them one-by-one OOC.

But it's so fun seeing your responses like this!

Emstar · Jan 30, 2024

Shrooms said:
[x] [Naruto] Worth a shot

A powerful, long range lightning attack.

If not that, a powerful, single target Water attack.

Can we get notes on a useful dimensionalism or space-time seal instead? I dont think these really add all that much and the gang has other stuff to level for the next couple months after the Oro trade.

Sir Stompy · Jan 30, 2024

Velorien said:
Kei gives you a disdainful look while Mari facepalms. Snowflake is politely pretending you didn't say anything.

Please put any other ideas into a plan rather than asking them one-by-one OOC.

This is why Snow is the best girl

MMKII said:
Can we get notes on a useful dimensionalism or space-time seal instead? I dont think these really add all that much and the gang has other stuff to level for the next couple months after the Oro trade.

@Shrooms seconded. There's been a lot of talk about hyperbolic time-chambers and this could be a decent jumping-off point.

Minato went from jounin to Kage in 3(!) years so he might have been cooking something good.

RandomOTP · Jan 30, 2024

Velorien said:
Snowflake is politely pretending you didn't say anything.

Aww, she's so sweet.

~~Kei and Mari are absolutely done with Hazou's puppydog eagerness shit, though~~

RandomOTP · Jan 30, 2024

MMKII said:
Can we get notes on a useful dimensionalism or space-time seal instead? I dont think these really add all that much and the gang has other stuff to level for the next couple months after the Oro trade.

@Shrooms

I'll vote for your plan if you do this.

Emstar · Jan 30, 2024

I would be a bit more gung-ho to get Noburi something too, but we've already arranged for Oro to see what he can do on the Water Whip + Chakra Scalpels thing, so...

RandomOTP · Jan 30, 2024

MMKII said:
I would be a bit more gung-ho to get Noburi something too, but we've already arranged for Oro to see what he can do on the Water Whip + Chakra Scalpels thing, so...

I think that, between WDB and the Water Whip + Chakra Scalpels, Noburi should be fine. Especially once we raise HM to 30, and raise some of those exclusive Tower Jutsu to a decent level.

Not to mention Rapid Rejuvenation will allow for mid-combat healing, which will synergize well with Summoning/Shadow Clones (Summons/SC defend healer and healed).

Edit: also Sage Mode. Goddamn it, we're getting Noburi some sort of S-rank trick, one way or another.

Shrooms · Jan 30, 2024

MMKII said:
Can we get notes on a useful dimensionalism or space-time seal instead? I dont think these really add all that much and the gang has other stuff to level for the next couple months after the Oro trade.

The long range attack is mostly for handling people running away on skywalkers

Do you have a specific seal idea in mind?

Oneiros · Jan 30, 2024

Can someone explain to me why we would want Lightning Lash from Naruto? It's an attack jutsu so it doesn't cover anything new for anyone. It also doesn't help Mari in any of her matchups against Akatsuki.

Emstar · Jan 30, 2024

Shrooms said:
The long range attack is mostly for handling people running away on skywalkers

Do you have a specific seal idea in mind?

I just want some space-time shit that isn't storage seals or "Babbys first gravitational lensing thingy" or whatever

RandomOTP · Jan 30, 2024

Speaking of, Noburi has enough stats to get the genin ninjutsu stunt. We should probably get around to buying that at some point.

MMKII said:
I just want some space-time shit that isn't storage seals or "Babbys first gravitational lensing thingy" or whatever

Ditto. We need esoteric shit to fight the Akatsuki's esoteric shit.

Shrooms · Jan 30, 2024

MMKII said:
I just want some space-time shit that isn't storage seals or "Babbys first gravitational lensing thingy" or whatever

Does a "slow time" or "speed up time" seal work for you

Seems the most directly applicable for later hyperbolic time chamber nonsense

faflec · Jan 30, 2024

HAZOU: Hiraishin?

MARI: No.

HAZOU: Rasengan?

KEI: No.

HAZOU: Dimensionalism?

ITACHI: Are you shitting me?

Emstar · Jan 30, 2024

Shrooms said:
Does a "slow time" or "speed up time" seal work for you

Seems the most directly applicable for later hyperbolic time chamber nonsense

Both these work I guess

RandomOTP · Jan 30, 2024

Shrooms said:
Does a "slow time" or "speed up time" seal work for you

Seems the most directly applicable for later hyperbolic time chamber nonsense

Maybe add a (dimensional seal) beside it, as a back up? I mean, we're going to be getting "the good shit," anyway, so even if we don't get "slow/speed time seal," it'll still be bound to be a "good shit" tier seal, that increases our veterancy with dimensionalism.

Sir Stompy · Jan 30, 2024

Shrooms said:
Does a "slow time" or "speed up time" seal work for you

Seems the most directly applicable for later hyperbolic time chamber nonsense

Speed up time in a radius around the seal seems like the most directly related. Makes sense to go for that if we could.

Shrooms · Jan 30, 2024

Shrooms said:
[x] [Naruto] Worth a shot

A seal that speeds up time in a small radius.

Failing that, a seal that slows time in small radius.

Failing that, a useful spacetime/dimensional seal.

How's this?

RandomOTP · Jan 30, 2024

Got some bad familial news earlier, but I can't do anything about it at the moment.

Here's an updated buildpath for Noburi, taking into account Orochimaru's upcoming (chakra scalpels + water whip) combo, the new jutsu Asuma gave Noburi, and the new ninjutsu combat stunts.

There's wiggle-room with the minute details, but this is intended to be a broad buildpath (only tracks the levels by 10s).

RandomOTP said:
Prospective Noburi Build
(mid-to-longterm)

Noburi has stated that he wants to focus on medical stats and his bloodline abilities, but that he also wants to maintain his combat prowess. Since we're eventually going to be going against the Akatsuki, this further raises the importance of combat prowess.

I've made a table that reflects Noburi's current skillset (though I'm only counting stats that are 10+ for the sake of time efficiency).

50 Water Whip Vamp Dew Medknow
40 Alertness Athletics Chakra Mednin
30 Physique Syrup Trap W.D. Bullet Resolve
20 Empathy Substitution Hoz. Mantle Rapport Deceit
10 Stealth Intimidation Presence Water Clone A.U.B. Bomb Surging Seas Hiding in Mist

Now that he has Mednin 40, let's go ahead and raise up a 60-stat.

My personal recommendation is Water Whip. With the new ninjutsu stunts, a higher water ninjutsu means that a higher AB can be invoked for Noburi's lesser water ninjutsu (example: tagging Water Whips +6 AB while casting Water Dragon Bullet, instead of Water Dragon's bullet +4).

I will admit to some temptation, regarding having Vampiric Dew as Noburi's capstone. It's a unique bloodline that allows Noburi to do awesome, unique stuff in the hospital that only he can do (such as operating without the use of dangerous/addicting drugs), and maybe leveling up to 60 would unlock further hidden functionality... Unfortunately, we've seen no narrative indication of this since the last unlock, which was all the way back at level 25. And while there may be some unknown Vampiric Dew stunts that unlock at level 60, I'm less inclined to gamble Noburi's future on a possible future shiny, rather than a known, solid combat boost.

Besides, with Orochimaru's Water Whip + Chakra Scalpels thing coming up, leveling Water Whip has just become increasingly important to level.

60 Water Whip
50 Vampiric Dew Medknow
40 Alertness Athletics Chakra Mednin
30 Physique Syrup Trap W.D. Bullet Resolve
20 Empathy Substitution Hoz. Mantle Rapport Deceit
10 Stealth Intimidation Presence Water Clone A.U.B. Bomb Surging Seas Hiding in Mist

And from then, Noburi has enough supporting stats to either raise up another 50-stat, to fill the 50-slot that Water Whip previously occupied.

Noburi wants to be a solid medic, and we're hoping to blow Tsunade's expectations away so that she'll take him up as her apprentice (which, in turn, unlocks S-rank shinies in the form of S-tier stunts/jutsu).

Not to mention that, with Orochimaru's lootboxes, Mednin 50 is cheaper than it would otherwise be (perhaps even free).

60 Water Whip
50 Vampiric Dew Medknow Mednin
40 Alertness Athletics Chakra
30 Physique Syrup Trap W.D. Bullet Resolve
20 Empathy Substitution Hoz. Mantle Rapport Deceit
10 Stealth Intimidation Presence Water Clone A.U.B. Bomb Surging Seas Hiding in Mist

From here, Noburi has room to raise another jutsu to a 20-level slot.

I recommend raising Great Lake Formation to level 20. At level 20, it covers the caster's Zone, and all adjacent Zones, with water that is useable for water ninjutsu, regardless of whether or not GLF was cast from a water source (which, remember, Noburi's Water Whip needs a water source for his bloodline to work through).

60 Water Whip
50 Vampiric Dew Medknow Mednin
40 Alertness Athletics Chakra
30 Physique Syrup Trap W.D. Bullet Resolve
20 Empathy Substitution Hoz. Mantle Rapport Deceit Great Lake
10 Stealth Intimidation Presence Water Clone A.U.B. Bomb Surging Seas Hiding in Mist

And now we have enough room for another 30-stat,. I recommend Hozuki's Mantle, because it's crazy-useful, and boost any melee stat (and that includes Water Whip, which will already be boosted via GLF and Orochimaru's chakra scalpels + Water Whip Combo)!

This, combined with Noburi's Water Whip 50, will synergize pretty damned well, lol.

60 Water Whip
50 Vampiric Dew Medknow Mednin
40 Alertness Athletics Chakra
30 Physique Syrup Trap W.D. Bullet Resolve Hoz. Mantle
20 Empathy Substitution Rapport Deceit Great Lake
10 Stealth Intimidation Presence Water Clone A.U.B. Bomb Surging Seas Hiding in Mist

And from here, we have enough room to raise a 30-stat into a 40-slot.

Water Dragon Bullet is a really, really good stat, but Physique 40 unlocks another stress box, which gives Noburi some extra tankiness. The Toad Sages have also implied that Sage Mode demands a high Physique stat.

For the sake of this build, we'll raise Physique, but there's an argument to be made for either one.

60 Water Whip
50 Vampiric Dew Medknow Mednin
40 Alertness Athletics Chakra Physique
30 Syrup Trap W.D. Bullet Resolve Hoz. Mantle
20 Empathy Substitution Rapport Deceit Great Lake
10 Stealth Intimidation Presence Water Clone A.U.B. Bomb Surging Seas Hiding in Mist

Another thing we'll want to level is Waterspout Leap. It's a reflexive dodge jutsu that boosts athletics by (1/3) the jutsu's level, so we'll want to level it to level 30 (which adds a +10), ideally, or at least level 15 (which adds a +5). It only works when cast on an elemental source of water, but that's what Great Lake Formation is for.

Luckily, we have the pyramid support for it, now, and it's halfcost.

60 Water Whip
50 Vampiric Dew Medknow Mednin
40 Alertness Athletics Chakra Physique
30 Syrup Trap W.D. Bullet Resolve Hoz. Mantle Waterspout Leap
20 Empathy Substitution Rapport Deceit Great Lake
10 Stealth Intimidation Presence Water Clone A.U.B. Bomb Surging Seas Hiding in Mist

And now some scattershot thoughts.

Rapid Rejuvenation provides mid-combat healing, and works at level 10, so we won't need to worry about pyramid support.

Rapid Rejuvenation also synergizes well with Shadow Clones and Combat Summons, who can guard/protect the healer and the healed ally.

We can get this at any time, and mid-combat healing sounds important for missing nin to have, so I recommend that we grab it before we ditch Leaf. Again, it works at level 10, so we can just level it whenever we want to, or whenever we have the XP.

[x] [Naruto] Worth a shot

eaglejarl · Jan 30, 2024

RandomOTP said:
Got some bad familial news earlier, but I can't do anything about it at the moment.

I'm sorry. :/ I hope things end up okay.

RandomOTP said:
Here's an updated buildpath for Noburi, taking into account Orochimaru's upcoming (chakra scalpels + water whip) combo, the new jutsu Asuma gave Noburi, and the new ninjutsu combat stunts.

Note that Orochimaru didn't say "I will do this." He said "let me examine him in my lab and I'll see if this is possible."

Also note that Naruto might be willing to hear a preference, but you aren't getting to choose what the seal is.

RandomOTP · Jan 30, 2024

eaglejarl said:
I'm sorry. :/ I hope things end up okay.

It will be, for one thing it'll take a a couple of weeks. The other thing, a longer time scale. But right now it's just waiting for time to pass to a more actionable point.

eaglejarl said:
Note that Orochimaru didn't say "I will do this." He said "let me examine him in my lab and I'll see if this is possible."

Eh, if it's simply not possible, then it's not possible, but we did list combat medical ninjutsu as one of our conditions?

If Water Whip-Chakra scalpels don't work, then my guess is that Orochimaru would give us something else that still fit the niche.

And, even if we simply don't get combat ninjutsu as a shiny, Water Whip level 60 is still a solid choice because of the ninjutsu stunt benefits... once we buy it, of course.

eaglejarl said:
Also note that Naruto might be willing to hear a preference, but you aren't getting to choose what the seal is.

Eh, Naruto promised us some Good Shit. I have faith in Minato's brand of bullshit. And even if it's not an Unrealistic Expectation Gold Plated Does Everything And More 5000-inator Seal, I have faith in our ability to spruce up a good-to-great seal into an amazing seal.

Just look at Rocket Boots, Skywalkers, Skyslicers, and chakdar v1/v2. Hella cool, much impressive.

_The_Bomb · Jan 30, 2024

RandomOTP said:
Eh, Naruto promised us some Good Shit. I have faith in Minato's brand of bullshit. And even if it's not an Unrealistic Expectation Gold Plated Does Everything And More 5000-inator Seal, I have faith in our ability to spruce up a good-to-great seal into an amazing seal.

Just look at Rocket Boots, Skywalkers, Skyslicers, and chakdar v1/v2. Hella cool, much impressive.

There is zero percent chance that Jiraiya didn't have access to Minato's seals from either Naruto or Minato himself.

We already have all the improvements he made over the course of decades of having them and being the world's greatest sealmaster.

ProperAttorney · Jan 30, 2024

_The_Bomb said:
There is zero percent chance that Jiraiya didn't have access to Minato's seals from either Naruto or Minato himself.

We already have all the improvements he made over the course of decades of having them and being the world's greatest sealmaster.

If Jirayia is anything like us, he didn't get a chance to work on 3/4 of the ideas he had.

DanZapman · Jan 30, 2024

_The_Bomb said:
We already have all the improvements he made over the course of decades of having them and being the world's greatest sealmaster.

Which are exactly none because he was busy being Leaf's spymaster and combat guy.

_The_Bomb · Jan 30, 2024

@eaglejarl @Paperclipped @Velorien
In Jiraiya's Hoard, are there any seals from Minato?

50	Water Whip	Vamp Dew	Medknow
40	Alertness	Athletics	Chakra	Mednin
30	Physique	Syrup Trap	W.D. Bullet	Resolve
20	Empathy	Substitution	Hoz. Mantle	Rapport	Deceit
10	Stealth	Intimidation	Presence	Water Clone	A.U.B. Bomb	Surging Seas	Hiding in Mist

60	Water Whip
50	Vampiric Dew	Medknow
40	Alertness	Athletics	Chakra	Mednin
30	Physique	Syrup Trap	W.D. Bullet	Resolve
20	Empathy	Substitution	Hoz. Mantle	Rapport	Deceit
10	Stealth	Intimidation	Presence	Water Clone	A.U.B. Bomb	Surging Seas	Hiding in Mist

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