This is tactically confessing to participating in a clan war.
How so? We're saying that we, in a fit of pique, destroyed Ritsuo's knife. Asuma knows that so we're not confessing to anything.

We're then tactically accusing Ritsuo of running a smear campaign.

What are we confessing to?
Can we emphasize this more? Hazou is the first to ever discover this application of ES and we deserve a big cut of the profits. I'm not sure what you're comfortable with, but I would be very sad if we got cut out of the picture because Hazou shared this with the Hokage.
Uuuh maybe. IMO Asuma has done a good job of compensating us appropriately for our ideas and he doesn't want to fuck that relationship up.
I would add "Sell to foreign nations" here.
Good idea.
I suggest adding this to the offscreen section.
Good idea.
I think this is a good time to bring up the (probable) leak in the Tower. There were less than 36 hours between Akane being assigned the mission and her being attacked, with timing that tight, it's difficult to believe that her mission wasn't leaked ahead of time.
See below.
I'd be happy to vote for these plans if you included mentioning the leak to Asuma and at least a little investigation(spice profile, Hidan-tracking, ect), or if you explained why you think this isn't a priority or otherwise worth including in the plan.
I want to talk about the potential leaks to Mari and Kei. There's no way Shikamaru failed to notice the timelines, so either we're missing something or it's being deliberately left alone. We're missing context and information.

I want to do that! But not in this plan (which is 48 hours at max) as it's a full scene on its own.

Ditto Hidan: I'd like to take that to Asuma after workshopping it with Mari and Kei.

It will have my votes for the next cycle.
 
In an overt attempt to better cater to your writing likes for my own nefarious purposes, what else do you especially enjoy to write besides Ami, Kei's/Snow Globe inner monologue(s), and rom com shenanigans?
Romcom shenanigans are really a subtype of general character/relationship development. I enjoyed writing Yuno discovering the horrors of grief, or Kei facing her complicity in colonialism, just as much as I enjoy writing cute girls going on comedy dates. The interesting part is in delving into specific characters and relationships in depth, in and of themselves or in reaction to events in the wider world (or, on occasion, to bizarre counterfactuals in interludes). It's easy to forget that there is a lot more going on with any given character than the actions they take in response to the latest player plan. Worldbuilding is great too, but sadly, MfD is very much a lighthousing quest in geographical terms. The main characters rarely leave Leaf, much less the Fire Country (thank the Sage for the Seventh Path).

There's probably more I could list with enough thought, but spoons, work crunch etc.
 
Sidenote: someone like Sasori could also help. Hint Hint.
This needs to be cut or rephrase. Bringing up Akatsuki is serious business. I suggest cutting this personally.
Use SC to check list of seals and work on them if they're doable without SSA.
This should just be cut. We have enough Sealing to work on for the moment. We should do this while researching RBs. Since that's jounin level and we'll be doing chunin level Minoto seals we have extra days to do the single day preps while waiting to do the actual research rolls on the same day.
Continue on Directional Explosives/Rocket Boots (no prep, reroll -9, -12 calligraphy
I suggest rerolling Sealing too. A -9/-12 being rerolled is better than an invoke in terms of value and we have the FP to spare. We want to finish quickly, after all.
Look at the Dog Scroll with the IN. Justification: Progress for Necromancy/Rift Seals as Summoning Scrolls allow travel to another dimension
Literal insanity. This absolutely must be cut before I'll vote for this.


Otherwise, looks good.

Security Seal Button: A super small seal, button sized, that stops seals from being used by anyone but the registered user (bonded via chakra or blood) and the sealmaster
No reason to specify size, seals can be shrunk down to thumbnail size with no penalty.
 
How so? We're saying that we, in a fit of pique, destroyed Ritsuo's knife. Asuma knows that so we're not confessing to anything.

We're then tactically accusing Ritsuo of running a smear campaign.

What are we confessing to?
My reading compression fail, I thought you'd linked the update where Atomu destroyed one of their businesses.

EDIT: I thought "plays" meant agressive moves, not literal plays

I want to do that! But not in this plan (which is 48 hours at max) as it's a full scene on its own
Specifiy timespan? We don't want an accidental timeskip for 10 days.
 
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I think the truth is that Hazou (in the form of the hivemind/voters) does not really care about Akane anymore. Once there was "confirmation" she was dead, that was it. On to the next shiny and oh! We can be rich now! And give up secrets to Asuma! It's our favorite past times!

We're also ignoring the conclave completely. The Dragons are supposed to be an extensional threat but we have decided to not even try to influence how the summons will respond.
 
This needs to be cut or rephrase. Bringing up Akatsuki is serious business. I suggest cutting this personally.

I can cut the joking hint hint but I promised to bring up Sasori for a vote. So I cannot cut that. If that is a dealbreaker, let me know.

We have enough Sealing to work on for the moment. We should do this while researching RBs. Since that's jounin level

I'll point out that we often "joke" about how Hazou has no good seals, and I do look to rectify that. These are mostly TN checks to see if we can do these, so I don't see the harm. Also we could check all of these in a single day I believe? Again, if a dealbreaker let me know.

Also, more importantly, RBs should be "a lot easier" which is likely chunin or lower once DE is done, according to Kagome. So we shouldn't need to research it.

I suggest rerolling Sealing too. A -9/-12 being rerolled is better than an invoke in terms of value and we have the FP to spare. We want to finish quickly, after all.

On a -9/-12? I'm OK with that. I was just trying to remember (apparently poorly) what the plan was for DE research.
Literal insanity. This absolutely must be cut before I'll vote for this.

Is there no precautions I could add to make you more comfortable? Such as doing so with a clone, have Hazou already in bed, with Mari, Noburi, and Kei already notified?

I feel like it's either something Hazou rejects (which costs us nothing) or it's something that gets us either more TYS (and thus sealing) OR understanding of summoning scrolls (which is insane veterancy for what we need to do to save Akane).

No reason to specify size, seals can be shrunk down to thumbnail size with no penalty.

Got it, will change.
 

The winning plan, which has double the votes, has nothing on Akane. Isn't it just kinda factual? We literally got ES 50 a day ago and we've prioritized it over her.

Also, the real reason for this response, @FaintlySorcerous you need to fix something. I think your latest mention of your plan is messing up the tally, because it doesn't take anyone to your actual plan. Which is a headache and will be worse for QMs since it's winning.
 
I'll point out that we often "joke" about how Hazou has no good seals, and I do look to rectify that. These are mostly TN checks to see if we can do these, so I don't see the harm. Also we could check all of these in a single day I believe? Again, if a dealbreaker let me know
We can do each one in a day, but it costs us 3 training blocks. For each seal. So 4 check days + 2 research rolls would be the day's allotment of SC time, and we wouldn't be FOOMing. So it costs us XP.
Also, more importantly, RBs should be "a lot easier" which is likely chunin or lower once DE is done, according to Kagome. So we shouldn't need to research it
This likely refers to a lower number of shifts to completion, not a vastly lower TN. We'll do at least one prep day to determine after finishing DEs. RRBs would almost certainly be true jounin. So if not, we do it then.
I feel like it's either something Hazou rejects (which costs us nothing) or it's something that gets us either more TYS (and thus sealing) OR understanding of summoning scrolls (which is insane veterancy for what we need to do to save Akane).
Or he does it and it turns him into a vegetable. Game over. There is no amount of precautions that will convince me to do this.
 
We can do each one in a day, but it costs us 3 training blocks. For each seal. So 4 check days + 2 research rolls would be the day's allotment of SC time, and we wouldn't be FOOMing. So it costs us XP.

Do Sealing checks not always cost us XP? I can remove some but I would have to check with those who already voted. Not sure if we have the time, but I will try if it can receive more votes.

This likely refers to a lower number of shifts to completion, not a vastly lower TN. We'll do at least one prep day to determine after finishing DEs. RRBs would almost certainly be true jounin. So if not, we do it then.

I think it's lower TN mostly because Kagome was surprised we got any progress without DE. Which implies not that the shifts would be lower, but that TN would be.

Or he does it and it turns him into a vegetable. Game over. There is no amount of precautions that will convince me to do this.

So if I made a mirror plan without the scroll and with less sealing, would be good for a vote?
 
Do Sealing checks not always cost us XP? I can remove some but I would have to check with those who already voted. Not sure if we have the time, but I will try if it can receive more votes
If we can have Prime do them they don't cost XP. I think running 2 seals at once is better than running 6 seals at once. Let's see, it costs 15 training blocks to do six seals at once. To do six seals over 3 days costs 9 training blocks. Let me know if you get something different.
I think it's lower TN mostly because Kagome was surprised we got any progress without DE. Which implies not that the shifts would be lower, but that TN would be.
  • For TNs (Infusion/Calligraphy):
    • All related seals are considered.
    • Each relevant seal slightly lowers the TN, typically by 0-5 points.
    • If there are multiple relevant seals, they provide diminishing benefits.
  • For Complexity:
    • Only one seal, the most similar one, is considered.
    • Veterancy can reduce Complexity by up to 95%.
    • The reduction is based on how much can be carried over from the original design
I agree Kagome's surprise seems to contradict what we know of the mechanics, but that's what I was working from.
So if I made a mirror plan without the scroll and with less sealing, would be good for a vote?
Sure
 
To be fair, we tried really hard to engage with that plot line and there was no interest from the QM side. Politics is a bunch of meetings about meetings after all.
I don't think that's fair. There were two updates covering your Conclave activities which didn't cover as much ground as intended for QM spoon reasons, followed by the hivemind deciding to switch focus to urgently finding out what happened to Akane.
 
Somewhat-final plan updates.

@Noumero, @Egg Shavings, @Dictator4Hire, @RandomOTP, @faflec, @cog-nito, @T_of_A, @Lord Marshal, @charlesrwest, @Rafin, please review the changes and make sure it's still to your liking. IMO the most significant change is that I cut the part about trying to secure exclusive rights to sell Earthshaped goods both because I think it's unlikely to be viable and because I needed the wordcount. If you can produce a version of the plan that has space, I'm happy to put it back in.

If y'all could also check that the links in the plan go to scenes that seem relevant, that would be great as I've had some trouble with that and want to confirm they're all good.

@Velorien @eaglejarl @Paperclipped, spoons permitting, would you please check the plan for number of scenes, ambiguous/confusing phrasing, etc.?

I am declaring bankruptcy on plan-related comments made before this post: there are too many and I've lost track of them due to busyness and SV's notification system not really helping. If you have any comments or change requests, please...
  • Make a new comment containing nothing but the comments/change requests. Ideally, include suggested wording for changes which keeps me under wordcount. Please either quote my post or tag me.
  • Indicate your willingness to vote for the plan if the changes are made (ignore this if you're already voting).
If you don't follow that format I'm (probably) going to ignore it.
[X] Action Plan: Reflection
Word count: <300
  • Duration: <= 48 hours
  • Sanity checks (Mari/Kei, offscreen)
    • Asuma: plan Earthshaping, Hagoromo conversations.
      • How to benefit without economic disaster?
        • Limit output?
        • Sell only to Tower?
        • Sell to foreign nations?
    • Ino:
      • Discuss Hagoromo with her?
      • Earthshaped mirror doesn't violate OPSEC?
  • Ino
    • Plan a private date.
      • Be there for her. Let her lead - fashion and gossip? Grief and loss?
    • Would she be a sounding board for a clan head issue?
      • Maintaining OPSEC…
      • Explain Asuma's Hagoromo suggestions.
      • Will they ever leave you alone?
        • They'll always have plausible deniability.
        • Would it matter if you stopped?
      • How do you break the cycle?
      • Discuss Ruka, reconciliation.
    • Give her a mirror - corundum shell around reflective metal, jeweled handle.
  • Asuma:
    • Request topic-appropriate security.
      • Provide samples, calculations, projected economic impacts of ES 50.
        • Highlight unlimited gold/jewels, novel materials, increased ore production/quality.
      • We want to benefit - our insights/training/time are distinctly Goketsu - but mostly, we want to help Leaf.
        • Tone: deferring compensation discussion. Focusing on strategy.
      • We've learned our lesson.
      • How should we proceed?
    • Hagoromo:
      • We'll never like Ritsuo, but we're tired.
        • Destroying Ritsuo's knife helped nobody.
        • The plays helped nobody.
        • It's always more hate.
    • Ruka:
      • Is her punishment mostly about Akane? If so, it seems disproportionate.
        • It's effectively death. She didn't kill Akane.
      • Suggest long-term till'n'fills supervised by KEI/clanless nin. Hatred doesn't withstand exposure.
      • Does he think Ruka can change?
    • Reconciliation:
      • Goketsu/Hagoromo need to see each other as full people.
        • Reference the evolution of Noburi/Neji's relationship.
      • Assign Goketsu-Hagoromo teams long-term till'n'fills requiring cooperation. Neutral (Sarutobi? Inuzaka?) leaders.
      • Are there more flexible Hagoromo? We want to see their clan as complex, multifaceted.
  • Offscreen (?)
    • Sealing Research:
      • Next Minato seal/Directional Explosives.
      • Eschew prep, use SSA, reroll -9/-12.
    • Get other nation's scents for Canvass.
    • Test burning sand macerators.
 
@eaglejarl, how far is it from Konoha to the assassin team's entry/exit sight? Did Canvass smell anything that would suggest someone left Leaf and ran straight for the border area the day before Akane's team left?

2-3 hours if you go straight from the gates to where the enemy team picked up Akane's trail. The Leaf gates are massive clusters of scents entering and leaving. Canvass detects no one who literally went out the gate and then straight-line through the woods towards the border, but it's quite possible that someone went down the road a ways and then cut cross-country. Given the number of overlaid scents and ninja ability to treehop it's unlikely that she could find such a thing even if it existed.
 
What time sensitive leads is Hazou neglecting? Be specific
To name a few, courtesy of Black King's plan:

- Akane's mission was leaked, we need to find out how/from who and prepare accordingly, and fast, because the Fucker's faction now potentially knows the Nuke and also because the longer we wait, the harder it will be to find anything out

- Find out the truth about Ruka's involvement or lack thereof before she is quietly disappeared which might well happen if Asuma was involved in the whole thing.

- Get Hidan for help with tracking Akane's blood. It would give us more intel at worst, and in the unlikely circumstance that she is actually alive, instantly point us to her location.

- See about getting access to spices/items from other countries to cross-reference with Canvass for Akane's attackers. If the Chunin Exam is still going on, use that. Independent of Asuma action.

- Make sure Yuno gets to stay in the village instead of running missions because she was doing the Rock jounin mission together with Akane and is the logical next target if it was a revenge mission.
-Asuma/Leaf is spending a lot on ninja teams on investigation mission in a lot of counties right now. narrowing down our leads now could save a lot of manpower.

-Akane had a Goketsu seal loadout, including MARS. If we want any chance of recovering these before they are reverse-engineered/distributed we need to respond ASAP.

This needs to be cut or rephrase. Bringing up Akatsuki is serious business. I suggest cutting this personally.
I agree this is poorly phrased. I think we should just say it clearly.
Can't remember the chapter offhand, but IIRC there was a chapter where Asuma told us realized he needed to prioritize the Dragonwar way more, and asked us what we needed. we amicably discussed inviting Akatsuki summoners for additional firepower.

So if I made a mirror plan without the scroll and with less sealing, would be good for a vote?
I think this would be a better plan.
 
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I don't think that's fair. There were two updates covering your Conclave activities which didn't cover as much ground as intended for QM spoon reasons, followed by the hivemind deciding to switch focus to urgently finding out what happened to Akane.
The hivemind switched focus because our job was done. We were supposed to lay the groundwork for Enma's arrival and he arrived. All of the actual time where we could influence the other delegates prior to that was timeskipped over.

We decided on our initial approach to a couple of the other delegates in one plan, and Enma arrived at the end of that update.
 
[X] Action Plan: Doing it again, less sealing, no scroll
Word Count: >300
  • Mari/Kei
    • Talk about getting Kagome SC. Should be easy with Dragons and his sealing, right? If not, what can we offer? Maybe mandatory OPSEC classes for Kagome?
    • Get Yuno SC as well.
    • Akane's mission was leaked, we need to find out how/from who and prepare accordingly. Also look into seeing if any of the rest of us are being targeted as such. Also if there are any deniable assets she knows of who could've done this
    • Asking Hidan for help with tracking Akane's blood. Fine idea? He likes us, is AMITY enforcer? Ask Asuma? Ask Ami, if not?
    • See about getting access to spices/items from other countries to cross-reference with Canvass for Akane's attackers. If the Chunin Exam is still going on, use that. Independent of Asuma action.
    • Explain ES and what it can do, thoughts on it? Does it need to go to Asuma immediately?
  • Asuma
    • Sanity check below with Mari
    • Discuss getting Kagome SC for Dragonwar. More Kagome-level sealing is big help. Sidenote: someone like Sasori could also help.
    • Idea: R&D missions. You hire a ninja to research something for you as a mission via the tower. That thing is considered non-secret property of the client -- if people other than client/people they designate mod/hack/are-known-to-publically-use it then they're required to pay a fee (like how sealmasters need to pay to sell mods of someone else's seal).
      • Generates tax, encourages innovation, doesn't seem to cause significant problems in the process.
    • Hagoromo: Don't want to involve them in our schools, possible sabotage, fundamental difference in ideas. Collaboration on Till n Fills preferred, maybe tutoring, like TH for Reo, joint lessons, etc..
    • Promotion to Sealing Special Jonin. Orochimaru fancies us his peer, we think it's time.
    • See about getting access to spices/items from other countries to cross-reference with Canvass for Akane's attackers. If the Chunin Exam is still going on, use that.
    • If Mari clears, ask about Hidan's help
  • Hazou/Sealing
    • Use SC to check the blood tracking seal and work on it if it's doable without SSA. Have Kagome work with the blood tracking and security seals if possible.
    • Test Burning Sand Macerators for effectiveness (off-screen)
    • Continue work on Minato's Seals with Kagome
    • Continue on Directional Explosives/Rocket Boots (no prep, reroll -9, -12)
@Sir Stompy @Crunbum @charlesrwest @Left-Hand Mutant @MadScientist

New plan dropped, may work better for you.
 
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I want to talk about the potential leaks to Mari and Kei. There's no way Shikamaru failed to notice the timelines, so either we're missing something or it's being deliberately left alone. We're missing context and information.

I want to do that! But not in this plan (which is 48 hours at max) as it's a full scene on its own.

Ditto Hidan: I'd like to take that to Asuma after workshopping it with Mari and Kei.

It will have my votes for the next cycle.
Glad we both see this as important! and good considerations, thank you.
See my and crumbun's above posts on why this is a time-sensitive priority.
I find these leads more pressing than talking about the Hagoromo, which Asuma explicitly said could wait a few days.
Also, the more forgiving tone we both want to take seems more in-character/Hazopilot-compatible if we take a few days to cool off.

I would happily vote for either version of "Reflection" if it included Akane investigation, instead of or in addition to Ruka/Hagaromo. If you're open to that, I can propose specific edits.
 
@FaintlySorcerous
If will vote for your plan if you consider adding the following.

Offering Ruka a reduced sentence if they consent to a mind scan. They may be a willing patsy, but it's possible they know something.

Investigating the other clerk, the KEI ninja, to see if they knowingly or unknowingly let someone know about Akane's mission.

Warning Asuma about Oro's intentions towards aunty Ren.

You could likely save some word count by removing suggestions for Ino's scene. The idea is for her to lead, after all.
 
See my and crumbun's above posts on why this is a time-sensitive priority.
Can you link/quote specifics, please?
Also, the more forgiving tone we both want to take seems more in-character/Hazopilot-compatible if we take a few days to cool off.
We're taking a day or two, in which we're talking things through with Ino and Mari/Kei. Hazo moves fast because he has to.

I also think that the bit where he threatened Ruka with death etc. was out of character and what he's proposing now (sensible, measured, thoughtful, treating Asuma like a respected mentor) is in-character.
I would happily vote for either version of "Reflection" if it included Akane investigation, instead of or in addition to Ruka/Hagaromo. If you're open to that, I can propose specific edits.
My requirements for edits are as follows:
  • Do not add any additional on-screen scenes to the plan or modify currently off-screen scenes such that they would become an on-screen scene.
  • Do not significantly change the overall feel or tone of the plan.
    • While I imagine this is an obvious knock-on, I'll be specific: do not remove any of the Ruka/Hagoromo material.
  • Do not mention our Akane/Tower leak suspicions to Asuma without running them by Mari and Kei.
  • Do not bring the plan above 299 words.
I don't think that leaves you enough room to do what you want, but I'm happy for you to try.

Thank you for the reminder to kill Reflection (without a mirror) - it's depreciated.
 
[X] Action Plan: Doing it again, less sealing, no scroll
Word Count: >300
  • Mari/Kei
    • Talk about getting Kagome SC. Should be easy with Dragons and his sealing, right? If not, what can we offer? Maybe mandatory OPSEC classes for Kagome?
    • Get Yuno SC as well.
    • Akane's mission was leaked, we need to find out how/from who and prepare accordingly. Also look into seeing if any of the rest of us are being targeted as such. Also if there are any deniable assets she knows of who could've done this
    • Asking Hidan for help with tracking Akane's blood. Fine idea? He likes us, is AMITY enforcer? Ask Asuma? Ask Ami, if not?
    • See about getting access to spices/items from other countries to cross-reference with Canvass for Akane's attackers. If the Chunin Exam is still going on, use that. Independent of Asuma action.
    • Explain ES and what it can do, thoughts on it? Does it need to go to Asuma immediately?
  • Asuma
    • Sanity check below with Mari
    • Discuss getting Kagome SC for Dragonwar. More Kagome-level sealing is big help. Sidenote: someone like Sasori could also help. Hint Hint.
    • Hagoromo: Don't want to involve them in our schools, possible sabotage, fundamental difference in ideas. Collaboration on Till n Fills preferred, maybe tutoring, like TH for Reo, joint lessons, etc..
    • Promotion to Sealing Special Jonin. Orochimaru fancies us his peer, we think it's time.
    • See about getting access to spices/items from other countries to cross-reference with Canvass for Akane's attackers. If the Chunin Exam is still going on, use that.
    • If Mari clears, ask about Hidan's help
  • Hazou/Sealing
    • Use SC to check the blood tracking seal and work on it if it's doable without SSA. Have Kagome work with the blood tracking and security seals if possible.
    • Test Burning Sand Macerators for effectiveness (off-screen)
    • Continue work on Minato's Seals with Kagome
    • Continue on Directional Explosives/Rocket Boots (no prep, reroll -9, -12)
@Sir Stompy @Crunbum @charlesrwest @Left-Hand Mutant @MadScientist

New plan dropped, may work better for you.

Add pitching r&d missions to Asuma, and I'll vote for it.
 
If will vote for your plan if you consider adding the following.
Which of those changes are essential for your vote? If it's all of them, I'm unlikely to try as it's a lot of effort given the available constraints. I agree I could modify the Ino section, but that's, like...five words.
Offering Ruka a reduced sentence if they consent to a mind scan. They may be a willing patsy, but it's possible they know something.
In the world where she's got something to hide, she says no. In the world where she doesn't, she says yes, and we learn nothing.

Can you discuss what you think we might learn, assuming she's a sharp operative?
Investigating the other clerk, the KEI ninja, to see if they knowingly or unknowingly let someone know about Akane's mission.
Is there a reason you think he would have been excluded from Shikamaru's search entirely?
Warning Asuma about Oro's intentions towards aunty Ren.
Can you give me phrasing which doesn't spill clan secrets?

I'm most worried about the Orochimaru-Ren part but at this stage in the game I don't know how to handle it without significantly changing the plan, and it's a little frustrating because when I've tried to get it through previously it's either been left out of the update or went very differently than how I imagined. (We could have answered Shikamaru's question with "well, he thinks the Iron Nerve is related to our ability to reproduce 3D seals" and left it at that.)
 
Give her a mirror - ES-condensed corundum shell around ES-condensed reflective metal, jeweled handle.
Suggested edits in bold. If we're going to say that it won't break, let's do our best to ensure that it won't

EDIT: Could probably just say "condensed" in both cases, and it would convey the same thing in 2 words, rather than 4.
 
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