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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Vote is now 74 no vs 71 yes for Burudin, if we add in the additional votes of before we got 27 for yes and 17 for no, making a grand total 100 vs 90.
 
[X] [Home:] Reject
Enough is enough! The beardlings certainly like to act clever, but your home will not be made a lodge! Reinforce and change the rules of all future agreements to put a stop to the practice. The political and practical headaches that can arise from letting things continue as they are is simply too big. It will certainly remove a means for the more ornery members of the House to bother you. The buggers.
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.
Unfortunately I think the majority will go for embrace just purely because it's a somewhat radical action. We have no real reason to. Went for "Find new" since I still think we bare some degree of responsibility though. Our home is our home, for Snorri, Karstah, full apprentices and retainers, not for a revolving cycle of temporary students to live in.
[X] [Burudin:] No:
Gain Nothing/??? Heed your teacher, and decline Alric's offer to join the Burudin.
Seems the more interesting option. Also less involvement with crotchety old southern runelords. Fingers crossed none of them take the rejection poorly though.
 
Vote is now 74 no vs 71 yes for Burudin, if we add in the additional votes of before we got 27 for yes and 17 for no, making a grand total 100 vs 90.
What? Where are you getting these extra 44 votes from? Doing a tally with all the proper settings from the literal results where this vote started to the most recent post shows 74 to 71.
 
I could honestly go either way on the Burudin, with a preference for rejection, but I actually, genuinely, really dislike taking Embrace (especially comboed with rejecting the invitation), which is unfortunately in the lead by 3 times as many votes.
 
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[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.

[x] [Burudin:] No:


The Burudin seems like path to being chained to the institution. It's a story as old as time. The bright-eyed politician who finds themselves becoming a part of the swamp. If Alric dies during the quest, I wouldn't be surprised to see the formation of a pseudo two-party system somehow with the different power blocs. Saying no means we'll lose the ability to shape rune politics but it should also keep us fairly insulated as well if shit hits the fan.

"Aye, banding together they have enough sway that only Thungni can deny them, but that's all theoretical because none have ever done so"

Insert reference to Julius Caesar. Even our own current political and legal institutions run on trust in the system. Once a bad actor/actors decides not to follow tradition, it'll collapse.
 
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[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.

[x] [Burudin:] No:

Would rather the quest focus on forging magic and runecrafting than on runepolitics.
 
"Brokk," Gloin greets, "What did you find?"

He releases a harsh exhale
Cuts off here. Thought it might only be missing a period perhaps, not sure.
No, the only real thing that's caught both your attention and imagination is the idea of True Transmutation.
You go to bed with foolish dreams of turning base steel into shining bars of Gromril.
Maybe steel into Gromril isn't viable, but perhaps Gromril into Adamant was an example of True Transmutation? It is a permanent transformation; and it is a transformation of an awesome metal into an even-more-awesome metal.

But I can see why "steel into Gromril" is the idle daydream Snorri had. It's the same sort of thing thing. Gromril is gold standard. Except when gold is the gold standard. Or oathgold is the gold standard. Or... heh. Anyway.
Thankfully for you, there is an Elf from Cothique you can get more info from,
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"I am speaking in abstract yes. Among us Brana, the Stonebound live closest to your homes, adopt many more of your customs, incorporate more of your beliefs, and take heed of your words and teachings more readily than most. To take on the trappings and traditions of another, this is another form of consumption no? Some of my kindred say it is a consequence of their proximity, yet I believe this path is false. For there are flocks who live just as close as the Stonebound, and yet they do not take on such traits, nor do they birth Brana who wield the Gold. They follow our ways, and though they take on some traits of the Mountain, they do not do so actively as the Stonebound do. Time will tell, I suppose."
I wonder... what would happen if some Brana lived among Elves? Or lived along the coast?

Would they pick up a Ghyran tradition, or a different-Azyr tradition? Become more water-y rather than more metal-y?

Or if they lived in the Forests rather than the mountains; perhaps they'd pick up some Ghyran. ... Actually. That'd be very similar to the Forest Dragons of Laurelorn and Athel Loren, wouldn't it. The way that the Dragons became more in tune with the magical forests and all.

Another thing I thought about the Brana's description of adaptation or, rather, comprehension is that... it's like they understood and comprehended a culture and nature that was like stone and metal. And because of that, gained a nature or magic related to that. Er, that is. Magic can be a mindset and matter of knowledge, right? Well, because they lived in a way that encouraged a mindset and they learned more of metalworking too, all this happened.

Devouring hearts and impressive beasts... that probably is a shortcut to this sort of absorption of Wind and magic. Hm. I wonder what they might gain if they ate a Magma Dragon or something. Aqshy-attuned griffons, heh.

[X] [Burudin:] No:

I'm curious as to what is going on with Yorri, and I want to hear more of his... 'story/quest arc' so to speak.

Also, going it our own way might be interesting. That is... we just keep doing the things we are doing, raising our apprentices and teaching journeymen and masters and keeping Rune Trials going, and researching Runes and crafting things, and being our usual self. It's... mostly just about being Dwarfy in that way where you follow in the steps of your master and teach your apprentices and just do the best craft you can do, and let the chips fall where they may from that. It's not about seeking an umbrella from a big organization in order to further spread, or shelter or legitimize, your ideas or politics. It's just... about keeping on being yourself.

Which, well, you can do in the Burudin or outside of the Burudin. I'm just expressing a preference of "Eh, if it came to political motivations or prestige boosts from joining? I'd rather not join for that as a reason." Being able to look at a powerful and prestigious organization and go "Naw I'm good, I'll just keep doing my own thing" is appealing.

It's like... if somebody gave an argument of, "Since this is how Dwarf culture works, we could get more of our influence in and spread this way" I'd be curious about seeing the other side of it; of being able to make a statement of "Actually, you don't have to join the Burudin to get anything/everything done." It's not even about making your own group or whatever, except maybe by default or by accident; it's more just keeping doing what you do and if that results in people feeling freer in how they act and what they do as Runesmiths, well, that might be interesting. In other words, less... monumentality amongst Runesmith culture? Less 'this one political group has the most influence'? More freedom and variety? Without pushing it or anything.

Just simply remaining a weird hermit up in the north, and being an object of admiration by our sheer productivity and skill of craftsmanship and such. Lead by admiration/aspiration/example. Rather than lead by command.

Though who knows about what'll happen with the Burudin. Maybe Snorri would moderate them, maybe he'd learn interesting things, maybe he'd get into rivalries, who knows. Maybe Yorri would be more likely to talk of things, maybe less.

As for the workshop stuff... I don't actually know lol. I'll just refrain from that, though the vote on that seems pretty settled.
 
[X] [Burudin:] Yes:

I can see both sides for this, but I think I'll be putting my vote towards this. I guess I just find it more compelling, compared to reasons I could come up with for saying 'No'. Yorri has a point, the Burudin have strayed, but unless his secret is something really important then I think the benefits outweigh the negatives. Putting aside how being a member of the Burudin will make more radical moves more accepted, like Embracing the students moving in, people like Snorri having a voice is how the Burudin stays on track.

That said, this chapter was pretty hype. I don't remember expecting the armor to proc on the Standing, bringing it down to 1 Action. That should make it much easier to open a window for us to join the campaign and show off. Then there's Transfiguration and Akazit. My understanding is that Akazit will now be unlocked, with Transfiguration being a separate project. Introducing Akazit is something I'm personally excited for. That, and probably proper Transfiguration, is the level that pushes the Dawi into prominence across the entire Karaz Ankor. I'm not willing to suggest it'd be like the Ancestor Gods themselves, since I have to imagine that any widespread implementation will still take a long time. Let's not forget who we're talking about here lol. But I guess even there, having the clout or being a member of the Burudin would be a great help.

All good stuff really, onwards and upwards, progress like this feels nice. I figure we'll need to get a pretty important teacher over before we can look into Transfiguration properly, since we'll need a higher level of Anöqeyan. Which I feel is liable to be set aside for a bit, for better or worse. We've got Rune Metal, Movement of Things, and I believe there's some support for Happening of Things. Eh, it might not be a bad thing. Completing the main Rune Metal tree may actually play a part in understanding Transfiguration, based off of Snorri's idle fantasies.
 
[X] [Home:] Embrace
Fine. Fine. If the idiots are choosing to be cheeky and finagle a way to stay in your home, they're going to at least pay for the privilege! It will require a good deal of work, and cost a pretty penny both in time and effort, but if it's going to be done, then it's going to be done right. Your southern colleagues may grumble and growl, but when have they not? You're over a thousand years old, they can suck on a particularly porous piece of pumice for all you care! Unlocks further options.
[X] [Burudin:] Yes:
Gain title, Member of the Burudin. Options Unlocked. Yorri is too plagued by his mysterious old hurts to see the truth. Accept Alric's offer, and join the Burudin.
 
Maybe steel into Gromril isn't viable, but perhaps Gromril into Adamant was an example of True Transmutation? It is a permanent transformation; and it is a transformation of an awesome metal into an even-more-awesome metal.

But I can see why "steel into Gromril" is the idle daydream Snorri had. It's the same sort of thing thing. Gromril is gold standard. Except when gold is the gold standard. Or oathgold is the gold standard. Or... heh. Anyway.
I was surprised Snorri didn't mention the definitely doable lead into gold version. I laugh at the idea of Snorri figuring out a viable rune combo to transmute gold and promptly breaking the Karaz Ankor's economy. It's nice to see that alchemy has the potential to be very wide spread and that a guild might be possible if we expand it enough.

Since it looks like Snorri's about to snub the Burudin, I kinda want him to spend more time with the brotherhood since they seem like the 2.0 version that's actually managed to stick to the original ideals. We need to get some Runelords living in Snorri's workshop along with all the masters and journeymen haha.
 
[X] [Home:] Embrace
[X] [Burudin:] Yes:

Access to the Burudin could give us precious runic ideas.
But lets say the Burudin are bad now. How does that change? Most effectively by getting involved and being that change.

Thus I see joining them as the best move either way
 
Adhoc vote count started by Brogatar on Jan 31, 2022 at 10:54 PM, finished with 336 posts and 168 votes.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Brogatar on Jan 31, 2022 at 10:54 PM, finished with 336 posts and 168 votes.
I like to think I'm pretty chill about voting in quests but I'm genuinely kinda salty here.
Edit: I hope people voting for Embrace realise the "rune college/library" thing isn't actually going to happen right? Like, that degree of free teaching isn't a thing?
 
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What? Where are you getting these extra 44 votes from? Doing a tally with all the proper settings from the literal results where this vote started to the most recent post shows 74 to 71.
Oh, my bad, I was just counting what was already listed and following your words, thought the extra 40 votes didn't already count, sorry.
 
[X] [Burudin:] No:
[X] [Home:] Embrace

It starts with a dorm room and ends with a vassalage. A fair few will never leave.
 
Karstah remembers nodding, but she isn't sure when she fell unconscious. Nevertheless, she wakes up in the Temple of Valaya two days later with a matron tutting down at her.
And so the Student becomes the Master

[X] [Burudin:] No:
[X] [Home:] Embrace

The Burudin is too much politicking for my taste, i'd suggest holding off on it until we know more
 
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