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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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[X] [Home:] Embrace
[X] [Burudin:] Yes

It seems insane to pass up this opportunity. More political cover for our radical actions, the opportunity to further shape the runecrafting culture of the Northern Holds, and the chance to pick the minds of some of the greatest runesmiths in the world.

Yorri has his opinion, and it is clearly heavily shaped by his own history and experiences with Durin. We need to remember, for all his wisdom and knowledge, he's an incredibly fringe member of the guild. In this very update Snorri had to ask him to stop trying to turn his heir into another cynic like him, and we've clearly demonstrated over the past 46 turns that we're nothing like our master when it comes to politics. Coming this far with our actions and not taking the next step makes no sense to me.
 
Alratan said:
And if we're worried about it being or becoming corrupt, being on the inside and so knowing what it's actually doing is the way to address it.
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...I don't know where to start on how much I fundamentally have come to greatly disagree with the sentiment of 'Changing the system from within' over the past 3 to 4 years, but it's late, Im tired, and y'all can frankly have this thread because the votes barely begun and the shitty side of me is already feeling incredibly bitter.
 
Alratan said:
If Yori was going to object. Just as Snorri hasn't changed his opinion of Dolgi for not releasing the Rune of Featherweight, I very strongly doubt Yori will change his opinion of Snorri any more than he did when Snorri became a Runelord.
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What if instead of asking us for advice Dolgi had flat out come up to Snorri and said 'I'm never going to release this rune beyond my family,' do you think that might have change Snorri's opinion a bit? I'm pretty confident in saying that a good portion of the thread would have had some opinions about it and few of them would have been complimentary. What if the that hadn't been the first time, but the second or third rune Dolgi had done it with?

Moreover you've misunderstood my point somewhat; it's less about Yorri changing his opinion than it is about influencing Yorri's choices in the future. Whatever Yorri's exact opinion of Snorri is, it is pretty clear that there are things he has not told his apprentice; not taking his advice which almost certainly influence when, how, and if he shares those secrets. Whether or not this is a make or break point is not something I said one way or another, largely because I don't know.

Like, this is a choice for a reason. We should maybe assume that there are actual drawbacks to acceptance or rejection of the invitation.
 
[X] [Home:] Embrace
Fine. Fine. If the idiots are choosing to be cheeky and finagle a way to stay in your home, they're going to at least pay for the privilege! It will require a good deal of work, and cost a pretty penny both in time and effort, but if it's going to be done, then it's going to be done right. Your southern colleagues may grumble and growl, but when have they not? You're over a thousand years old, they can suck on a particularly porous piece of pumice for all you care! Unlocks further options.

[X] [Burudin:] Yes:
Gain title, Member of the Burudin. Options Unlocked. Yorri is too plagued by his mysterious old hurts to see the truth. Accept Alric's offer, and join the Burudin.

Ultimatly, Snorri is apolitical in a very political way. "politics says I can't do X, bah, I'll find a way to do X anyways" Having more clout makes it easier to get away with that. Either Yorri is somewhat biased and is overstating the issue and there is no reason not to accept, or he's not and there is even more reason to accept. If it's become a ruling body of runelords then it will be easier to make change if we're part of it. Snorri is the sort to minimize disruption while pushing for change, that will get easier if he has a seat at the table. Yorri is fine being on the outs kicking around doing good, Snorri wants to make society wide changes for the better. That will be easier to do without a dangerous schisim from within.
 
[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.
[X] [Burudin:] No
 
I feel like I should explain why I'm so opposed to lodging them into our workshop. Just over a decade ago Karstah came to use and chose to dwell within our Workshop, signalling herself as the Heir of the Gift Giver. She saw it as an extremely ambitious thing to even think asking, and we granted it (unnaminously? the vote wasn't Snorri's decision, it was Karstah's, not sure how to describe the lopsided nature of that vote).

And here we are, just over a decade later saying whatever random Runesmith comes by to learn from us can dwell at our Workshop for the time that they need to. We can set up those lodgings else where. It doesn't have to be in the Workshop.

It feels like it cheapens Karstah's decision to make herself our Heir.

soulcake said:
She could set up her Workshop in the Workshop. The sort of thing that was done when an apprentice wanted it made clear that they intended to carry on their teacher's business. The highest amount of scrutiny, the highest amount of contact to make sure the youngster could back up their implicit claim. It spoke of a close relationship. Usually, such a thing was done between a parent and the child who would succeed them…
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soulcake said:
It would put a stop to the whole issue, and help you reclaim some part of the privacy you had lost. Of course doing so meant you'd have to decide to use your influence to turn either Kraka Drakk or Khazid Okraz into places that could handle the runoff of such a decision.
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I just don't think Joining is of particular benefit for us. Especially since we ARE pushing the art of runecraft forward already. In time we'll make our OWN burudin with Blackjack and other stuff!
 
[X] [Home:] Embrace
Fine. Fine. If the idiots are choosing to be cheeky and finagle a way to stay in your home, they're going to at least pay for the privilege! It will require a good deal of work, and cost a pretty penny both in time and effort, but if it's going to be done, then it's going to be done right. Your southern colleagues may grumble and growl, but when have they not? You're over a thousand years old, they can suck on a particularly porous piece of pumice for all you care! Unlocks further options.

[X] [Burudin:] Yes:
Gain title, Member of the Burudin. Options Unlocked. Yorri is too plagued by his mysterious old hurts to see the truth. Accept Alric's offer, and join the Burudin.

minimal costs and some prestige/social goodies anyways, might as well. What problems it causes should be more than outweighed by what the status brings as far as I can tell. Not that important but its basically free shit. This is especially valuable if we vote to Embrace, as then any grumbling that might have occurred gets drowned out by the weight of the Burudin's reputation
 
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[X] [Burudin:] No
I'll take a closer relationship with Yorri over possible relationships with Alric and co any day.

[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.
 
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[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.

[X] [Burudin:] No
 
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[X] [Home:] Reject
- [X] Find new accommodations: In removing one problem, that being the overcrowding of your home, you have created another. Perhaps it is no concern of yours, but you will do what you can to find a way to house them now that squatting in your home is no longer an option. Unlocks further options.

Look, the workshop is not an inn and it's not a village and I don't want it to be one. We can built a nice little Runesmith village... down the road.

[X] [Burudin:] No:

I trust Yorri in this matter.
 
soulcake said:
The vote with the Workshop is also saying something about what Snorri considers his home. Karstah will always have her Workshop in Snorri's home, but is your Home just a part of the Workshop, or is it the whole of the Workshop.

Just to be clear.
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I get that, but it still feels like the vote cheapens Karstah's descision. For the quest our Home has been our Workshop. Redrawing our home to suit other Runesmiths just feels a wrong.

What is the most common Runesmith take the mixture of Workshop and Home anyways? I can't imagine that many Runesmiths would want to be far from their Workshop. I recall that Karstah had to rent her workspace when she was Journeying. I would think established Runesmiths would own their workshops outright?

Runelords particularly, given that they tend to set up their Workshops far from civilization to craft items of power.

Out of curiosity, is the intimacy aspect part of what more conservative Runelords would have a problem with letting Runesmiths lodge in our workshop?
 
soulcake said:
That's not very long at al- Alright, alright! I'm coming over, don't peck at me you incorrigible magpie!" he gives, raising his hands both as a sign of surrender and to ward off the gentle jabs of her beak.

He beseeches Valaya for her protection, coming to the conclusion that he's long past the point of needing her wisdom.
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NO NO NO NO! DON'T STOP THERE! i need to see if we can have dawi griffon riders!?//??

Also if those disposable hammers that they seem to throw have some variation of rune that channels Brana lighting then Warcraft 3 reforged will be redeemed in some small way!
 
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