DoofQuest- a Disney Villains Victorious CK2-Style Quest
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Being honest, I really don't like this as a reason since this would be us basically betting an action that she'd have some kind of godly trait when it's a lot more probable that she just has a trait that makes her, a decent hero.
On the other hand, just look at some of our recruitable heroes right now:
Le Papillon: All-rounder with 3 stars in all his stats except Intrigue where he's 4, he should basically be able to substitute any hero except our best ones. Experience in dominating the criminal underworld of Paris so bonus points for when the PB comes and tries to take over Doofania's underworld.
Go Go: 3 stars in learning and martial, probably on the high end of 3 stars martial since she's one of the MC from Big Hero 6, info about the Zaibatsu, info about St. Canard (also useful for when PB comes for Russ), probably knows quite some useful secrets.
Gomez: pretty mediocre compared to our learning heroes, however, he's specialized in using science to mess up with magic, so he would be useful just for the research he'd unlock.
Momakase: high intrigue, master ninja for Tobe, it'd have been really nice to have a hero who's loyalty is first to us (we could have put her in Spy your Employees for example).
Mezmerella: 3 stars intrigue hero, will probably unlock hypnosis research, which could be quite useful to boost our intrigue. Or we could try to develop countermeasures against hypnosis and brainwashing.
Then let's go back to Juniper:
-2 stars in martial, her highest stat.
-Dance really well, however even with a -40DC reduction she'd only have around 20% chances of getting Dance Magic.
-She might have a trait related to teaming up?
So the only real reason to try to get her over others is if we want to bet that her teaming up trait is extremely good (she gives her stats to another hero unit), because unless it's that, then it'd be a hero we're never going to use at all...
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- Terra
what about Earth 2 Doof? (Wait. Was it Earth 2 Doof? I don't recall. Whichever one has Perry as a Cyborg and a resistance against him.)
- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
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- He/Him
... I had an insane thought just now. Kitsune is Fox, after she got whammied by Oberon. He "unlocked" her magic or something, and it kind of broke her while also transforming her mentally and physically. Being Titania's daughter would explain the large number of tails, and the Eye of Odin arc where she was being changed into a beast as her "true nature" was brought to the fore would explain the personality she's displaying. This is why she's a unique OC for this quest, and not a DVV standard. In canon Gridlocked, Xanatos has his wife and son both safely with him still.
Edit: Hell, this would even explain why Kitsune's fey nature seems turned up to 11!
Edit: Hell, this would even explain why Kitsune's fey nature seems turned up to 11!
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Mattman324
you expected some anime, non-IRL giant robot, eh?
- Location
- Working in the basement on my giant robot.
Na, it's noted on his sheet that he is actually competent at being a ninja, and while his other bozos may or may not be as competent, they've done well for us so far. I think they can be upgraded past "barely competent".
KidFromPallet
Pokemon Fan
- Location
- Pallet Town
Yeah, of course. I'm just saying that in this particular circumstance, because it's so close to when the Company Retreat rolls around, it might be better to wait and go on the Quest in the Jan/Feb turn, so that we can squeeze more actions out of our Hero Units.
It's the difference between Quest next turn and PA turn after, and PA next turn and Quest+PA the turn after.
I wouldn't suggest waiting if this was anything but the Nov/Dec turn, but considering it'd be only one turn later I think it'd be alright to hold it for the Company Retreat.
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- Location
- Philippines
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- He/Him
Also we should take care of organized crime at Jan/Feb when it comes.
Lord Ultimus
Beautiful...
- Location
- Undisclosed Warehouse
Has the vote been called yet?
Why do you think he's recruitable? He's got influence and stats on the level of a king. Simply because he appears in a hero card doesn't mean he's recruitable.
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
Gonna disagree with some of these.
First off, for Papillon isn't available. These are our available recruitment targets:
Papillon isn't on the list.
Gogo: Martial and Learning are not exactly one of our weak points right now, we have too much to care about already without getting involved in BH6 stuff. The St. Canard intel is a hard "maybe", in terms of getting anything useful out of it. The strongest argument I can see for her is that she's Gogo, which is entirely reasonable but unrelated to proposed mechanical advantages.
Gomez, sure, he's on my shortlist.
Momakase - saying her loyalty is to us first is, um. False? She's canonically very mercenary and willing to screw over her employers, which makes me very reluctant to pick her up as likely our highest non-Russ Intrigue unit and put her in charge of our important Intrigue operations. (At least we know Russ wouldn't sell us out for money.) Also, this:
would be rather antisynergistic with, you know, us.
Mezmerella - Sure, I want her, too.
Juniper - This is what people are referencing when they bring up the Maybe Team-Up Trait.
In addition, her hero card text reads:
Seems like a pretty strong hint that Juniper has a team-up trait to me. Certainly no weaker than the evidence that the mystery box in the interview was Mirage, and we were quite correct about that.
And a trait that did allow her to team up with another hero could let us add another 5-15 to any action, which is quite significant as we keep running into high DCs. Even with significant restrictions on the applicability of the hypothetical trait, we would never run out of uses for her. And we might even be able to assign her and an actual wizard to dance magic, which would be fun. We're pretty sure she has a special knack for it, based on her dream at the end of the omake the dance magic action came from:
So I'm sure that would give us something neat.
Worst case scenario, she seems like solid black ops team material.
Barondoctor
The things I chase come to me.
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
I mean, I could see a plausible win condition being a Big Bad Triumvirate: Shego for combat and national/world defense, Xanatos for intelligence and international/interplanetary relations, and us on tech and magic. We have hands in the other elements, but there's a certain degree of mutual respect and professionalism that lets us work together with minimal internecine conflict, usually over trying to grab a bit of influence here or there in such a way that it keeps us all sharp and watchful.
That would require clearing out Toffee and heavily-containing or liquidating the others, but that seems plausible.
Just saying that we don't need to be "One Above All". Being a significant part of a coalition victory would work just as well.
- Location
- The Netherlands
Xanatos is better for Magic. for obvious reasons. we are here for tech and all the weird things in the world in this hypothetical
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Does that version of Doof strike you as a happy, enviable person that you should want us to wind up playing?
Asking seriously; I haven't seen that particular source material.
It seems a bit off-brand and unlikely, though not impossible I suppose?
Eh. Honestly I just want to get our second-stringers doing something interesting next turn; I'm sure we can find more interesting things to do the turn after that.
When it comes, it'll probably come with a Blot,
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Another positive of Gogo is that she has connections to Honey Lemon and if Tomokiri is Honey Lemon then we have a minuscule chance of being able to recruit her and Globby. Might be a very small chance but information on how BH6 lost will give us good intel.
Olivebirdy
mook.
I'm not stressed, I'm happily considering bumping Shere Khan out of the energy market. We don't need to be Supreme Overlord of Earth tomorrow, it just helps if we take out rivals.
I think Doof wouldn't be that bad a Supreme Overlord, definitely not compared to most of the others vying for the spot.
And we're supposed to because we're Heinz Doofenshmirtz, who has succeeded in his short-term plan of conquering the Tri-State Area and is now ready to move on to the next step.
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kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
Like I said - we have too much on our plate already. I view involvement with BH6 plots to be a negative right now.
We simply can't afford to meddle in every injustice or tragedy in the setting at once. Similarly, we can't afford to try exploiting every potential opportunity in the setting at once. There's just not enough actions in the day; I'd like to finish something *cough*Doom*cough* on our plate before we get involved in something new.
AProcrastinator
You can Certainly Try
- Location
- Getting Somewhere
- Pronouns
- She/Hers
The only "new" thing I'd really support getting into right now is prepping for the Magical Masquerade breaking. Even if Xanatos is right, and the prophecy ends up not referring to that particular veil being lifted, it's still inevitable that the Masquerade, in part or in whole, will break someday. Magic is one of the few secrets we might be able to get on top of, prep-wise.
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My point wasn't to meddle in Sanfransokyo but knowing where the other members of BH6 are could give us some really good heroes. Wasabi created Plasma weapons in college. I'm fine with sticking out of the fight but having information on criminals in Sanfransokyo would be useful once we deal with doom.
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- Terra
mostly meant it in form of the supreme overlord villain Doof rather then a happy person lol.
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
That's why I added the bit about not being able to exploit every opportunity, either. Time spent fishing around for BH6 heroes is time not spent doing something else, and we're not tapped out on things to spend our Diplo actions on yet.
After Doom - and low-tier as Doom may be among the Kings, it's still not going to be easy to get to that "after" - I'd be more open to potentially picking up something new to stick our nose in. I'd rather focus our new free time on Toffee, on something else on our plate that came up organically, or on ENCOM before San Fran, but that's given the information we have now; I'm sure the world will have changed drastically by the time we need to decide what comes after Doom, so excessive speculation at this point isn't very useful.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Okay, but the more of this stuff we try to cram into the immediate future, the worse the risk is that we'll overlook something critically necessary to survive against the people who are actually a threat to us. And the worse the risk is that we'll get dogpiled by people we antagonized because we just Could Not Let Them Have Their Thing, but lacked the strength to put them out of business entirely in a timely manner.
OK, but Doof is the same guy who's just plain nice, and has a good relationship with his nemesis, and who constantly gets side-tracked building inators to deal with petty annoyances.
World conquest is not somehow mandatory for a man like this, not really. There are other compelling character arcs for him to follow, and many of them are a lot less reckless and a lot more survivable than trying to beat down a dozen or so competing Kings.
The problem is that as with Janna, those hero units are going to come with loyalties and obligations and backstory. The more entangled we become with them, the more we are going to view their problems as our problems.
It happened with the toons- we ended up in a rivalry with Judge Doom.
It happened with Janna- we're now prepping for a rivalry with Toffee, who is dangerously powerful.
So far the only hostility we sought out of our own free will was with Syndrome. Two out of three of our enemies- the only two left standing, no less- are people who we're fighting baaasically because they're in an antagonistic relationship with one or more of our hero units.
Well yes, but the point is, I don't think we really want to BE that.
THIS. Oh God, this.
It's like, realistically finishing off a rival King, even when you have a sizeable advantage, is the act of multiple turns of focused effort. Even when you have the edge. Which we don't, really, against any of our existing rivals. So barring a fluke of good luck like what happened for us with Syndrome, we just plain cannot count on reducing our "enemy list" quickly or any time soon.
Given the pace at which the game is evolving, that means it's a terrible idea to try to make decisions now based on what we expect to be able to do after defeating a rival King. If we hire a hero unit with baggage, the complications that go with that baggage are going to start hitting us now, not later when we have time to deal with them. We will have to make decisions now and commit to pursuing certain courses of action soon, or lose the hero unit.
There may be exceptions, but we can't count on exceptions.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
I mean, what's true about the setting is already true, us knowing about it doesn't make it worse. Even if we never got involved with Janna, Toffee would still be a threat. Bill and Doris are threats even though we haven't met them IC. In the same way, I don't see how us learning about BH6 is a bad thing. If we expect Go-Go Tomago to be sufficiently hated by the Zaibutsu that they will go after us for employing her, that would be a reason not to recruit her. If we expect her to pick a fight with powers in the area while under our employ, the same goes. But learning about what's going on in California strikes me as unambigously positive, in the same way that I'd rather have the details about the Oregon Triangle even if we can't presently act on that info.
