If this is all we have as you say then what's the problem with telling him everything ?
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Let me put it this way.
If we had information on something that could be dangerous or helpful, if we only knew it existed, the DC would be higher than if we had some idea what exactly it is.
Thus, looking at it from Xanatos' side, if we tell him everything, Xanatos is more likely to find out that Toffee plans to exterminate humanity. If we don't, then he'll likely conclude that we are considering him dangerous because he is targeting "our own" and stop investigating.
AProcrastinator
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To repeat something I said in the Discord here, let's say we decide not to tell Xanatos stuff. Now, let's imagine that everything goes south in the worst way possible, save that we barely manage to eke out a win, and Xanatos manages to crawl out from the rubble too.
"Heinz...why didn't you warn me about all of this?"
"I ...wanted you to think I was cool?"
"Heinz...why didn't you warn me about all of this?"
"I ...wanted you to think I was cool?"
Lab_Accident
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Yes, so why tell him more than the basics? Let him come to his own conclusions, later we can offer to actually exchange intel on Toffee with him.
To be honest, if we had more on Toffee that could actually convince Xanatos that he is bad news to Xanatos specifically, I'd be all for sharing. Right now, pretty much all we have is that he made our employee cry.
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If it gets to the point we're actually collaborating on serious projects against Toffee, yes of course that's when all cards should be on the table. Somehow I don't think Toffee is sending a dimensional scissor hit team to this auction.
I mean, if we shared everything with him and everything went wrong in the worst possible way then Xanatos would end allied with Toffee. Although that would also happen in all the other options if we're talking about an everything went wrong scenario.
Nooo we need to give the Khan a (pseudo) horse! He ain't a Khan without his horseeeee
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I'd like to echo the concerns here. Realistically, Xanatos isn't going to go after another king just on our say so, and especially not until we have a much more solid partnership. Any action of his to harm Toffee is going to come after he scouts the situation himself. So, the question on the Toffee reveal is, what result ends in him coming to the conclusion we want? I'd like to argue that it's mentioning he's bad news, for a couple of reasons. First, it's enough. It's more info than we had, and he's motherfucking Xanatos. Secondly, it lets him draw his own conclusions; Toffee is objectively real bad news, but which parts will be of biggest concern to Xanatos depends a lot on where DVV diverges from Gargoyles canon. Thirdly, it's much more dramatic.
And finally, well, we don't want to prejudice him and his results. We have 14 intrigue, and sent Tobe our 24 intrigue ninja to find out more. We rolled decently well and had some help from Janna, but Xanatos has 72 intrigue. He can figure out more than we did. And Toffee's worst secrets are the ones we don't know. The fact that he plans to kill all of humans, the fact that he hates magic, the fact that he's currently genociding Mewni... those are things we don't know, and stuff that Xanatos could very well find out himself, but is much more likely imo to come upon if he approaches the investigation as "figure out what's up with Toffee" rather than "confirm Doofenshmirtz's story," since the latter is by design focusing on what we already know.
And finally, well, we don't want to prejudice him and his results. We have 14 intrigue, and sent Tobe our 24 intrigue ninja to find out more. We rolled decently well and had some help from Janna, but Xanatos has 72 intrigue. He can figure out more than we did. And Toffee's worst secrets are the ones we don't know. The fact that he plans to kill all of humans, the fact that he hates magic, the fact that he's currently genociding Mewni... those are things we don't know, and stuff that Xanatos could very well find out himself, but is much more likely imo to come upon if he approaches the investigation as "figure out what's up with Toffee" rather than "confirm Doofenshmirtz's story," since the latter is by design focusing on what we already know.
Well how would he knows we have more info? It can just be we got a bad vibe from him or he rubbed us the wrong way.
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[X] Plan: The REAL Doofenshmirtz Diplomacy
-[X] Tell Xanatos everything you know about Toffee
-[X] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
-[X] Immediately launch into your vague and convoluted plans for a three-part alliance
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Lab_Accident
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My main problem is that he'll just conclude we're monofocusing on Toffee because he made Janna cry and we're sentimental like that, not because he's an actual threat to everybody on Earth. (Which to be honest, right now, is the correct conclusion, but we have OoC reasons to dig deeper).
If we tell him what we know, he might conclude the same thing, ony without digging as deep.
At which point our answer should be: "I did warn you about Toffee! Didn't you do your homework? Also, at the time, I may... have known absolutely nothing about Toffee's genocidal intentions? Yeah, so I'm kinda as surprised as you are, really."
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The more we tell him the more suspicious Toffee looks, the more incentive Xanatos has to investigate on his own.
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[X] Plan: Xanatos vs. The Forces of Evil
I'm all aboard this.
I'm all aboard this.
Imagine being on the other side of this :
Xanatos : Be carrefull about Florida, they have dangerous robots.
Doof send a unit and they never come back because Xanatos gave no warning about the brain-washing hats.
Xanatos : Be carrefull about Florida, they have dangerous robots.
Doof send a unit and they never come back because Xanatos gave no warning about the brain-washing hats.
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[X] Plan: Xanatos vs. The Forces of Evil
-[X] Tell Xanatos everything you know about Toffee
-[X] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
-[X] Ask Xanatos what he thinks about Shego
-[X] Utahraptor
Well shit it's Halloween. I feel like that definitely deserved TELLING US THAT. Narratively speaking that means Toffy is now going to make his move at this auction. And we only have Janna with any real oomph. We might be screwed. Hopefully Xanatos has some beefy security in play.
so we tell Xanatos everything and try to get him onboard on the Toffy is a theart train and suss out what he feels About Shego. Hopefully giving to okay to rope her in after Toffy's attack here
-[X] Tell Xanatos everything you know about Toffee
-[X] Tell Xanatos Celena's prophecy verbatim
-[X] Ask Xanatos what he thinks about Shego
-[X] Utahraptor
Well shit it's Halloween. I feel like that definitely deserved TELLING US THAT. Narratively speaking that means Toffy is now going to make his move at this auction. And we only have Janna with any real oomph. We might be screwed. Hopefully Xanatos has some beefy security in play.
so we tell Xanatos everything and try to get him onboard on the Toffy is a theart train and suss out what he feels About Shego. Hopefully giving to okay to rope her in after Toffy's attack here
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[x] Plan: Doofenshmirtz Diplomacy
Doubt it as we would send our own robots.
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How Xanatos invests in his investigations is a balance of risk and reward, since there are other, problematic kings. I fully expect him to investigate Toffee once or twice regardless of what else we say if we tell him that Toffee is bad news, but if we tell him more details about Toffee, then it is more likely for his crits to actually be relevant to what he needs to know.
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My dude it's Halloween. One of his known agents is strongest on this night. There is no way in hell that he is not attacking right now.
Why would we not want Xanatos to understand what's going on!? We came here to get his help that means honest and open communication. The only reason we're not immediately gunning for the Tri-king alliance is that we don't know his opinion on her.
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Jesus then it's on us for apprently sending a team into the wild completely unprepared to deal with dangerous robots.
Or it biases his investigation to just confirm what we told him instead of otherwise where he would've dug deeper without any starting biases.
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Are we really going to end up telling Xanatos, in our second meeting, everything we know about Toffee the second we get out of the car in front of Janna?
He may have far more important things to do you know.
He may have far more important things to do you know.
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How would Xanatos knowing that Toffee has taken over Janna's town be a bad thing for his investigation?