Current Plan Differences:
  • Legible has Dennis on the Resistance, Searching has Dennis look for a sensei
  • Legible has TECHNOR on Diplomacy and Goofy on his College, Searching has Goofy on Diplomacy and TECHNOR on Stanley
  • Legible has Tobe on Tarot Reading, Searching has Tobe looking for a sensei
  • Legible has Doof on the Detectives, Searching has Doof on Roger
  • Legible has Lizzy being social, Searching has Lizzy share her excavation tech

I think the other big differences are whether or not LOVEMUFFIN is being used to buy out LEE Industries or save money for the auction
Haven't kept track track entirely but Plan Legible has them saving money.

[X] Plan: Legible Plan

Only quibble is I'd personally rather have Dad, Goofy monitor Princess Java but I don't think that's a big enough dealbreaker. Doesn't Goofy have a bonus of +1 over Technor after loyalty though?
 
Honestly, Russ probably reported at some point "Vanessa seems sane and uninterested in ruling, Doof is still paying his taxes .... if we just wait for Doof to die the 2.5 state area will be inherited by Vanessa and I think she'll probably just give it back to us. Waiting things out seems to be the obvious path."

And by the time Vanessa would inherit Doofania after our *timely* demise (not talking about us getting assassinated by Doom next turn or something unforseeable like that), I expect Xanatos to have completed his covert takeover, rendering the whole point kinda moot anyway...provided of course that things between us and him don´t turn sour in the meantime.

Mind you, despite his general benevolence towards us over the course of this quest, David Xanatos doesn´t just do things outta the goodness of his hearts - he always expects to get something outta it. So I simply want us to work with him in the future to make him more likely to "ask" the government to not bother us needlessly.

We gain a lot more from being nice and reasonable to both him and the USA than by being ornery.
 
[X] Plan: Fixing things
-[X] National Actions:
--[X] Deal with 'The Resistance' (Dennis)
--[X] Update the City Council with Princess CJ (Goofy)
--[X] Excavate Chicken Itza (Janna)
--[X] Express Delivery (Wile E. Coyote)
--[X] Wing the Hawk- Feed Hawk False Trails (Agent Russ)
--[X] Investigate the cape scene (Mirage)
--[X] Research Dino Domestication (Dr. Jumba Jookiba)
--[X] Research Adaptive anti-cape AI (Ludivine Von Drake)
--[X] Do a tarot reading (Tobe and the Vagabond Ninja)
-[X] Personal Actions:
--[X] Doofenshmirtz Personal (Chat with the Bossman (Janna))
--[X] Doofenshmirtz Personal (Read your Spellbook)
--[X] Doofenshmirtz Personal (Look into the Dickens Detective Agency)
--[X] Doofenshmirtz Personal (Browse online for interesting stories)
--[X] Genghis Khan Personal (Get a social security number)
--[X] Monogram Personal (Reorganize OWCA)
--[X] Hego Personal (Do Good Deeds)
--[X] TECHNOR Personal (Psychoanalyze Stanley)
--[X] Max Personal (Bond with Dad)
--[X] Vanessa Personal (Job shadow Doof)
--[X] Queen Lizzy Personal (Try to be sociable)
-[X] "Personal Actions" that assist National Actions:
--[X] Dennis Personal (Help the Pharmacist (Deal With 'The Resistance'))
--[X] Goofy Personal (Work for Dr. Doof (Update the City Council with Princess CJ))
--[X] Janna Personal (Do Stuff for the Doof (Excavate Chicken Itza))
--[X] Wile E. Coyote Personal (Work for the Bossman (Express Delivery))
--[X] Agent Russ Personal (Work for the Good Doctor (Wing the Hawk- feed him false trails))
--[X] Mirage Personal (Work for Dr. Heinz (Investigate the cape scene))
--[X] Dr. Jumba Jookiba Personal (Work for fellow Evil Genius (Research Dino Domestication))
--[X] Ludivine Von Drake Personal (Work for Dokta Doof (Research Adaptive anti-cape AI))
--[X] Tobe and the Vagabond Ninja Personal (Work for Sensei (Do a tarot reading))
--[X] L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. Personal Action (Set aside money for the auction)
-[x] Don't overclock Technor
-[x] Activate an Inator

Might as well throw my own plan in the ring as an alternative since Searching, Sleuthing, and Setting Up isn't getting votes.
 
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@Ashmaker if you could have Hego doing good deeds I'll switch. Might be nice to have an obviously Good Guy cape doing his thing as a way to disprove Doom's naysyaing.
 
Honestly, since Xanatos seems intent on puppeting the US government, we might be able to sneak around that whole secession business by cozying up to him a bit. Since we already are planning on cooperating with him during this whole Alliance/Council business, him deciding to "ask" his contacts in the government to leave us be wouldn´t be too much to ask imho.
Fairly certain that we wouldn't really need Xanatos pulling strings for the status quo. If the government were strong enough for a forceful re-annexation (especially a quiet one), then they would have already done so with Doofania. We also already plan on working with the government and Russ with other stuff, so it's not like we will likely be hurting on Federal relations independent of Xanatos's influence.

What I have stated I want as the crowning achievement of an ending is to have said secession officially recognized, not just maintaining the current autonomy situation. The autonomy really isn't in any danger of ending except for our own actions or Doof's death. Having the government coopted would help, but we would still need to do a lot of cozying up to the government and US public for that to be possible from a diplomatic - as opposed to martial which we don't want - point of view.
 
@Simon_Jester While I can agree with most of your reasoning and choices in contrast to my own plan outline, I really think that we want Goofy as the influence for Princess CJ's diplomatic side. TECHNOR is analytical and can pick apart social cues and capitalize on them, but his megalomania can crop up at the worst times. Goofy is humble, caring, sincere, honest, and generally a good listener. All excellent traits in a diplomat. On top of that, Princess CJ is currently kind of childlike in mentality, even if she's not a true Turing-capable AI. Goofy's parental instincts will respond to that, and we have living proof that he knows how to raise good kids. So I think he'd be more patient with CJ as well as humoring her and explaining things to her as he goes. Whereas TECHNOR is more likely to either do a data dump or just have her look stuff up.
 
Fairly certain that we wouldn't really need Xanatos pulling strings for the status quo. If the government were strong enough for a forceful re-annexation (especially a quiet one), then they would have already done so with Doofania. We also already plan on working with the government and Russ with other stuff, so it's not like we will likely be hurting on Federal relations independent of Xanatos's influence.

What I have stated I want as the crowning achievement of an ending is to have said secession officially recognized, not just maintaining the current autonomy situation. The autonomy really isn't in any danger of ending except for our own actions or Doof's death. Having the government coopted would help, but we would still need to do a lot of cozying up to the government and US public for that to be possible from a diplomatic - as opposed to martial which we don't want - point of view.

I am not saying that we absolutely NEED Xanatos´ help to get the USA off our back regardless of whether we wanna maintain status quo or actually have our autonomy recognized - I am simply saying that being in the good graces of the guy ACTUALLY in charge (instead of NOMINALLY like the POTUS) would help us quite a bit in getting things our way without official interference.

Simple pragmatism, you know?
 
[X] Plan: Searching, Sleuthing, and Setting Up

The idea that this is too illegible to be considered a legitimate plan cheeses me off a little. A plan should be considered on its merits, darn it!
 
I am not saying that we absolutely NEED Xanatos´ help to get the USA off our back regardless of whether we wanna maintain status quo or actually have our autonomy recognized - I am simply saying that being in the good graces of the guy ACTUALLY in charge (instead of NOMINALLY like the POTUS) would help us quite a bit in getting things our way without official interference.

Simple pragmatism, you know?
I know it's pragmatism. That's why I said "Having the government coopted would help" in recognition of that in that same quote. I was trying to stop you from saying something of this nature by preempting what you were going to say.
 
@Simon_Jester I'd really recommend exposing Hawk over feeding him false trails. There's always the chance he gets wise to the false trails eventually and the action doesn't hurt Doom at all. Compare exposing him that brings down legal trouble with Hawk, furthers our relationship with the government, and casts Doom's reputation into doubt. Personally, I prefer looking into LA Crime for similar reaosns (and Russ's Tooned In/Secret Keeper bonuses), but I'd be willing to vote for your plan if you change false trails to expose. Additionally...

I'd really recommend putting Goofy on the AI upgrade instead of Technor. Technor is better used trying to recruit a hero unit like Stanley or in seeking out bonuses to our existing hero units. Goofy has a better diplomacy and he seems like a better influence on impressionable young CJ
 
You've got Technor's personal action conflicting with the national action. Other than that, the argument for socializing Lizzie is actually a pretty decent one.
Missed that in the editing. As for Lizzie, I had missed some of the debate, but I suppose it is important to break ingrained habits if we want her to be a team player. Yeah, I think I'll change that.
 
One of the things we might want to be wary about is, well, I'm not even sure if this is canon for Gridlock, it might just be one of those "interesting potential thigns that you can use or not that is contradictory with some of the other presented options" and even if it is that doesn't mean it's canon to this quest, and things are very different in this quest at this moment then in the base setting, but it's still a noteworthy insight into how Xanatos might view relations with his fellow Kings.

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"It took several weeks of reconnaissance, but I believe I have enough information to begin operations. The continental United States has been carved up between eight other entities, each one with a substantial technological presence. Your first test will be to prove your political acumen by gauging which one is best suited to be my temporary ally and which should be opposed immediately."

"The super-woman, Shego. You will offer yourself as an ally against the inventor Syndrome," she stated confidently, pointing toward the screen deliberately.

Xanatos leaned forward with a grin. "Interesting choice. And what makes you so sure?"

"You seek allies that you can exploit, as ever, Xanatos. The most prudent choice would be to aid the enhanced humans, it would not be your first endeavor in manipulating a dying race. The mechanical ones would be unlikely to ally with a human, the scientist is unreliable, the masked man too unpredictable, and the man of Detroit too quick to betray and grasp control. The only choices left are the inventor and the super-woman, of which the super-woman is the easier target for you."

The businessman nodded approvingly, but interrupted it quickly.

"I'm afraid you picked quite the opposite target, Demona, I intend to join forces with Syndrome against Shego."

Demona breathed another irritated sigh. "You are impossible, Xanatos, I made the best choice from your information, you would have done the same!"

"The problem was that you decided based on given information. You did not look for additional factors that might have tipped the scale, anything unsaid. Tell me, was it technology that brought the Wyvern Clan back to life?"

"Of course not, human technology is incapable of such feats. It is magic," she grumbled.

"And was it technology that solidified my empire?"

"No, it was magic."

"That's right, more magic." Xanatos gestured back to the screen. "Do any of these leaders look as though they use magic?"

Demona eyed the screen for a half-moment. "No, they use technology."

"Correct again, Demona. Magic is what will trump all of their technology."

"Then why choose the inventor, Xanatos? He relies on technology more than all save the machine-men," Demona asked, grappling with frustration once more.

"Because my scouts discovered an interesting spot on the border between Syndrome's territory and Yokai's. The region is a hotbed of cryptids and strange phenomena, completely unnatural and too far-removed to be linked to technology. The Oregon Triangle, the locals call it, and it has been largely ignored by the magic-ignorant technocrats. To gain access to the area without drawing notice, I need to ally with either Syndrome or Yokai, and given the choice between an egomaniac and an unknown wild card, Syndrome is the obvious best ally. By devoting troops to the borders with DrakkTech-controlled regions, I think he'll let me have a small tour in return. He is an easy man to pander to, provided we keep a facade of subtlety."

I don't know how similar this quests version of Xanato's is, in that fuff story he didn't even know Toffee existed for example .... but it still brings up a relevant point.

Unless we can prove that Toffee is on that genocidal shtick, if Toffee comes to him looking for him to act against us, who is Xanatos likely to value more? The surprisingly competent scientist, or the Lizard man with ludicrous amounts of magic secrets and power to offer?

We aren't in a bad position to be clear, we do have one of the most stable regions around and are pretty willing to work with Xanatos on fair terms (though Toffe is both of those things as well), incredible science wonders (though we aren't the only scientific prodigy around and Tofee's magic is infinitely rarer), food (though Toffe can handle that as well apparently) .... really what we have going for us the most is that we aren't an intrigue guy while Toffee is, so Xanatos might not trust him to not betray him.

None of this is for certain, obviously, I even think if both of us approach Xanato's at the same time there's decent odd's Xanatos chooses us, but, all the same maybe we should avoid putting ourselves in a position where it's easy for Xanatos to sabotage us once it's made clear to Toffee that we are an enemy of his.

It's why I'm confident in doing the auction thing, I don't think Toffee will realize we are his enemy and start doing serious intrigue against us until way after that, but, say, a long term research agreement, where his people and our people are interacting in close proximity for long periods of time, that makes me a little nervous.
 
@Simon_Jester I'd really recommend exposing Hawk over feeding him false trails. There's always the chance he gets wise to the false trails eventually and the action doesn't hurt Doom at all. Compare exposing him that brings down legal trouble with Hawk, furthers our relationship with the government, and casts Doom's reputation into doubt. Personally, I prefer looking into LA Crime for similar reaosns (and Russ's Tooned In/Secret Keeper bonuses), but I'd be willing to vote for your plan if you change false trails to expose. Additionally...

I'd really recommend putting Goofy on the AI upgrade instead of Technor. Technor is better used trying to recruit a hero unit like Stanley or in seeking out bonuses to our existing hero units. Goofy has a better diplomacy and he seems like a better influence on impressionable young CJ
@Ashmaker Same goes for Fixing Things
 
Unless we can prove that Toffee is on that genocidal shtick, if Toffee comes to him looking for him to act against us, who is Xanatos likely to value more? The surprisingly competent scientist, or the Lizard man with ludicrous amounts of magic secrets and power to offer?
The surprisingly competent but otherwise fairly easy to read and predictable scientist, as opposed to the lizardman who came from nowhere and likely reminds Xanatos of himself. In all the worst ways.
 
@Simon_Jester

I can live with most of your plan, but I agree we need to get Goofy on diplomacy, not TECHNOR, regardless of penalty, because this is also CJ's introduction to diplomacy.

If you have goofy teach Cj about diplomacy, we get nice, friendly, well adjusted princess who sees 'commoners' as people to help

if we have Technor teach CJ about diplomacy, we have
ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR EVIL SCHEMES AND GAIN POWER OVER THOSE AROUND YOU, HERE IS HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILES TO...
 
we have Technor teach CJ about diplomacy, we have
ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR EVIL SCHEMES AND GAIN POWER OVER THOSE AROUND YOU, HERE IS HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILES TO...

But will he? He's reasonable when in his therapy mode, and he has the advantage of also being an AI, and thus having an understanding.
 
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