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Maybe something about our power/envoyship with Isan? Not sure he's give us what could be our own small village though.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Maybe something about our power/envoyship with Isan? Not sure he's give us what could be our own small village though.
[X] Action Plan: Contracts and Contacts
I still don't think Leaf is a safe place for us right now. Hiashi hates us and would gladly destroy us given an excuse, and the only thing Orochimaru would like more than our guts on a research table is our being his brainwashed assistant. Our only real leverage for negotiation is our ability to blow shit up, and our friendship with Naruto. Naruto likes us, but he probably wouldn't ignore an order from the Hokage just to get us the dog scroll, and while we are good at blowing things up, we don't have the combat resources to be able to translate that into power easily.
Ultimately I don't think Orochimaru or Hiashi are enemies in our challenge rating, we need time, and resources. Considering that Isan has plenty of ninja, and we have been ordered to go there by the Hokage, we should probably start planning how to make sure things there go well (i.e. making sure we're on good terms with Yuno, and getting Akane to go with us)
I still don't think Leaf is a safe place for us right now. Hiashi hates us and would gladly destroy us given an excuse, and the only thing Orochimaru would like more than our guts on a research table is our being his brainwashed assistant. Our only real leverage for negotiation is our ability to blow shit up, and our friendship with Naruto. Naruto likes us, but he probably wouldn't ignore an order from the Hokage just to get us the dog scroll, and while we are good at blowing things up, we don't have the combat resources to be able to translate that into power easily.
Ultimately I don't think Orochimaru or Hiashi are enemies in our challenge rating, we need time, and resources. Considering that Isan has plenty of ninja, and we have been ordered to go there by the Hokage, we should probably start planning how to make sure things there go well (i.e. making sure we're on good terms with Yuno, and getting Akane to go with us)
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we should visit ami
tone improved but the substance hasn't changed. i'd prefer us to be honest. we wouldn't tell hyuuga things oro tells us to keep secret. we don't try to keep secret from oro that we are telling his info to hyuuga.
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[x] Action plan: Hugs for snakes
[X] Action Plan: Contracts and Contacts
[X] And Push It Somewhere Else
I feel like the deadman switch idea is overly likely to destroy the entire universe (I think that even a 1/10,000 chance to do that is wayyyyyy too much, and I don't think it's that low anyway), and doesn't have sufficient countermeasures for the possibility of Orochimaru genjutsu-ing us, then finding a way to mind control us to defuse the bomb. I also think that there's a chance of our friends/family getting kidnapped and used as leverage for this. More worrisome, I'm afraid of incomplete information transfer. If an enemy village hears we have a massive bomb on us at all times, and doesn't hear that it's connected to sealing failures, that would be bad.
[X] Action Plan: Contracts and Contacts
[X] And Push It Somewhere Else
I feel like the deadman switch idea is overly likely to destroy the entire universe (I think that even a 1/10,000 chance to do that is wayyyyyy too much, and I don't think it's that low anyway), and doesn't have sufficient countermeasures for the possibility of Orochimaru genjutsu-ing us, then finding a way to mind control us to defuse the bomb. I also think that there's a chance of our friends/family getting kidnapped and used as leverage for this. More worrisome, I'm afraid of incomplete information transfer. If an enemy village hears we have a massive bomb on us at all times, and doesn't hear that it's connected to sealing failures, that would be bad.
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- He/Him
Could go either way, I think. Depends on what the gadget is.
Doylist: We hadn't realized he was rich.
Watsonian: Blah blah money dedicated to search for Naruto blah lack of liquidity blah big economics words blah blah.
It would be easier if you asked specific questions OOC instead of forcing us to make up a crapton of stuff that doesn't end up used.
Next year. I'm 49 this December. I appreciate the thought, though.Also, congrats to @eaglejarl for turning 50 this year! I kid, I kid.
*cough* There may have been some perfectly understandable confusion on the part of one of the writers, who, while being a brilliant and handsome fellow, is apparently a bit of a chowderhead, since he put your (now Orochimaru's) compound next to the Hyūga even though it wasn't supposed to be.
Note that the Shimura estate is outside the walls, and quite expansive. Also fairly cheap for its size.
In QM chat with proposed answer now, waiting for corroboration.
EDIT: Re dead man's switch. First thing in having something like this (as Mari and Keiko will tell you) is that it only works if everyone knows that it exists and what it will do.
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So... Did we try the "Contact through Keiko, offer our expertise in exchange of accepting Hazou as a summoner" to the Dogs? Because the Snakes still have Orochimaru, but the Dogs don't...
Otherwise we can use Naruto(S-ranker in a village on the brink of war)+ KEI and then personally talk with the other clans, trying to convince them to give Naruto the ownership of the scroll(As a repayment for the Hokage election), and then asking Naruto to give it to us if he's so inclined(Because he can't use Summoning Scrolls IIRC).
Otherwise we can use Naruto(S-ranker in a village on the brink of war)+ KEI and then personally talk with the other clans, trying to convince them to give Naruto the ownership of the scroll(As a repayment for the Hokage election), and then asking Naruto to give it to us if he's so inclined(Because he can't use Summoning Scrolls IIRC).
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
- Accidental activation: In that case Kagome simply wouldn't approve it.
- Mind control: I tweaked the Version 2 design a little, it now offers sufficient protection against Yamanaka-style mind control (you'd essentially need to learn a new jutsu to be able to reset it, something that should take more than a day), and Orochimaru is unlikely to have anything more advanced than that (and "but what if he does?" is a fully general objection to any anti-Orochimaru plan: "what if he has Ability X that completely defeats this plan specifically?").
- Note that the hypothetical mind-controller would need to get all of us simultaneously: we'll build only one real device, but we'll give each Team Uplift member a decoy, and we'll switch them up daily, such that not even we will know who has the decoy. This way, there's no compound risk of accidental activation, but no-one should be willing to try their luck anyway (17% risk of destroying the universe is still way too high).
- Kidnapping: As stated, they'll have their own doomsday devices — if they're kidnapped, they'll just refuse to reset them.
- And we shouldn't respond to blackmail anyway, that's a sucker's game.
- Incomplete information transfer: Obviously we'll publicly communicate all the details; ensuring that the other party is perfectly aware you have a doomsday device is the entire point.
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Does that mean we'd be able to leave the walls whenever we want without an explicit mission, in order to go home? Or would we usually be stuck in Leaf and unable to stay at the estate?
Well, I suppose that Kagome's lungs could use a good workout.
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@Noumero You should move the design for your deadman switch out of the plan. @Velorien may or may not be willing to exclude it from the wordcount of the plan, but I doubt very much if he will go to the trouble of manually excising it before checking the total. I certainly wouldn't.
A few comments:
A few comments:
I cannot visualize how you set these up in such confined quarters such that the contents of the box can't interfere. I suspect you need a diagram.
How does that work?
No such thing in MfD.
Do you mean combination?
Presumably. No one would buy it otherwise.
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The shimura estate being outside seems like a plus. Easier to come and go, easier to fuck off if leaving Leaf is a very real possibility, and we can just build our own walls anyway. I'm sure Kagome would love it at least.
Noumero
Omit Needless Words
Done.
How large are the seals, in width/height? (@faflec, was that answered before?)
I see. But Kagome knows locking seals, right? He'd hacked one back in Mountain, and we should at least have the blank of that one.
Like a watch? There are no watches in MfD either, are there.
Yes.
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Granted, Shimura died because the seals on his fences failed, allowing a bunch of chakra beasts to sneak onto the property and eat him.
@faflec or approximately palm-sized, I believe.
Seems reasonable.
Nope. :>
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Could also be useful as a quantum immortality device, if we're able to reduce the detonation delay to occur as soon as we die.
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The Shimura Estate is definitely the best one then. The only downside I can see is that it's easier to disappear us and say that chakra beasts did it, but that's what Kagome level quantities of traps are for. Well, that and hoping that Hiashi doesn't have any spare jonin that he would bother using to disappear us, but an alliance with him would also help quite a lot with making that not worth the effort.
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I mean, faflec.yes, but it sounds like they can be made smaller?
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riiiiiiiiiiiiight the fences failed
No but that is a concern, if not the wildlife then political rivals/enemies who would take advantage of the situation and cause an "accident". Hell if it didn't mean losing two sealmasters who can make skywalkers I'm sure that's what Hiashi would try to set up since of course he'd want to take some advantage over Oro's return. He still might too. That said I'm still for the Shimura estate, we'll just have to build some heavy defenses.
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Plus with Kagome's expertise, Hazo's easy wall making, and Naruto's manpower we could make a really secure border around us.
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I swear to Jashin, if Danzou suddenly shows up to reclaim his house and we need to go through this exhausting morality debate again...
I'd prefer this doomsday device be offscreened, considering I find us unlikely to find a viable solution soon and don't want it to eat up a scene.
Also, I am concerned by how easily Hazou can influence Kagome with respect to security. Considering he was able to convince Kagome to enter the basement, leading to the near-death of Noburi.
Hmm, looks like we suddenly have access to much less liquid money than we realized. Perhaps we should adjust our spending habits accordingly.
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Emstar
The Shining One
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- She/They
I think at this point we pack our bags "to move" and find a nice quiet plot of land in Vegetable to slowly transfer all of our people to.
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Then during our house warming party spirits pop out from the ground and tell us to get off their ancestral burial ground, because why not right?